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What is the explanation for the US toll?
04/04/20 at 00:55:41
 
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There's no doubt at all that even though the US got hit after China warned Italy and Italy warned the US, that Trump had a two week window where he not just did nothing but played down the threat, we suppose because he had a 'hunch' or he just cared about the stock market for another few days.

We do not know why he alone (apart from Bolsonaro) chose to do nothing for a couple of weeks. But he did and I can see no other explanation for the explosive acceleration of the cases in the US. by the time that two weeks was up you had a seed population in the 10's of thousands, instead of hundreds.

There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.

We do not know the final result of his folly and ironically people were worried with having him in charge of the nukes. However no one foresaw the damage that could occur if something like a novel pandemic broke out.

Unless anyone has another theory as to why the US has become the epicentre.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/04/trump-coronavirus-science-ana...
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Reply #1 - 04/04/20 at 05:26:44
 
There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.

This is simply factually incorrect. And this is not a small error. This is a major observation that’s not even close to being accurate. 2 minutes of research would give you the facts but you are polluted with hatred for Donald Trump that you believe and repeat ridiculous statements.

You are a foolish man and should probably stop talking now.
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Reply #2 - 04/04/20 at 05:31:00
 
Here, I did your work for you and even from an organization that is often blinded by TDS like you, The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/world/coronavirus-flatten-the-...

And the money phrase:
All of these countries below have seen an average of more than 2,000 cases per day in the past week, and most of them are not showing any signs of a slowdown.
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Reply #3 - 04/04/20 at 06:20:08
 
I have posted about this before - 77% are in democrap areas.

Democraps are filthy pigs ?
Democraps live in 3rd world like slums ?
Democraps are cry babies ?
Democraps are using this as a excuse to complain about Trump ?
Democraps are looking for freebies and piling onto free chitte ?
Democraps are likely piling onto busses and trains cos its the green thing to do ?
Democraps live in apartments where if you're in "isolation" you're isolating with everyone in the building due to central heating.
Democraps are international travelers cos many of them are foreigners especially Chinese and Indian ?

Take your pick - its likely a bunch of these.

TBH, republicans tend to be self reliant and homesteaders in the WFO American landscape, and they tend to be wealthy and easily holed up in compounds in the pricey areas like NYC or CA. Democraps tend to be apartment dwellers, dorm dwellers and skid row dwellers. They cant distance, they cant avoid each other filth etc etc.

PS: The dead vote democrap - and this case doesn't involve voter fraud. These areas are so heavily democrap, they can lose 10% to 30% of their population and still be deep blue. Since electoral college will turn the state over with even 1 vote difference, we're really looking at a political non event for the democraps. When people in apartment complexes in states they have to "turn" start to die, they would start screaming this or that. If the death toll rises, the democraps will lose the popular vote, but if they turn enough states, they can win the electoral college - that's what they're counting on because they've lost both times that occoured. Time to get even once and for all.

Just my take.

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Reply #4 - 04/04/20 at 07:28:45
 
WebsterMark wrote on 04/04/20 at 05:31:00:
Here, I did your work for you and even from an organization that is often blinded by TDS like you, The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/world/coronavirus-flatten-the-...

All of these countries below have seen an average of more than 2,000 cases per day in the past week, and most of them are not showing any signs of a slowdown





If you look at the whole article - see how high those countries like Belgium etc are especially on a per capita basis. I don't know about you, but that IMHO is the direct result of socialized medicine. If the thing is free, when some news like this hits, everyone turns up asking for free chiitte. OTOH, India has no medical system to speak of. Doctors offices where you pay at the time of consult. And their cases are very low especially considering the population is nearly level with china.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/coronavirus-latest-updates-india-repor
ts-more-than-500-cases-for-second-straight-day/articleshow/74976935.cms

Coronavirus latest updates: Death toll rises to 75, total cases climb to 3072.

Why is that so low ? For 1.2 Billion people. Well social distancing in India = you're stuck with people in your house only. You may live in an apartment with 5000, there is no recirculation of air. Windows will be open, fans will be run and the ocassional A/C unit in the window. Even if you live in a slum, you have social distancing in your house, and they have a nationwide lockdown.

BTW The system there is different, states can not decide to lock down or not, the central govt has the power to call for one of those and people comply. We have experience doing that - Its called Bandh - Shutdown. Every year or so we get one or more of these.
And there is no socialized or even a 1/2 way socialized medical system. So hordes of non sick doesn't show up at a "free" clinic asking for a handout that doesn't exist for a disease they didn't have - atleast till they showed up there and the 1 person who did have the disease gave it to them.

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Reply #5 - 04/04/20 at 17:25:17
 
@WM,

It's the curve that gives the trend. Specifically the slope of the curve, the steeper the slope the faster the acceleration. The US has been showing consistently the steepest curve, and this can only be attributed to the large seed population caused by a delay in taking it seriously for a few weeks.

This is normal for Trump to say something then backtrack because he's only looking at the current news cycle. He's used to controlling the news cycle so if he says bs then he knows he can bury it the next day.

It's just unfortunate for him that and the US that something popped up that controls the news cycle whatever Trump does.

What is important to note in the graph below which starts each country from their first case, is what is happening around day 20. That's about when other countries who took it more seriously earlier and Trump was blowing it off. What you are seeing now is a result of decisions made then. There is a two to three week lag.

Spain and Italy are having a tough time now after taking it more seriously, so it's no wonder that the US curve is steeper than theirs now.

TL ; DR Look at the slope of the curve. It's not that the US has the most casualties, it's that they have the steepest slope, and that's why they have the most cases now.



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Reply #6 - 04/04/20 at 18:28:40
 
nd this can only be attributed to the large seed population caused by a delay in taking it seriously for a few weeks

Nooo,,, TESTING is FINDING more,,
Whine and scream about
Not enough testing..
Get testing
See increase
SHOKKING

Stop buying into the reports from China and other places..
Why believe their numbers"
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Reply #7 - 04/04/20 at 22:21:33
 
That's rather ironic for you to mention testing because it was the lateness and lack of testing that has contributed to the US slow response.

Europe is not China.

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Reply #8 - 04/05/20 at 00:11:31
 
Slow response?
As soon as Trump started to respond
You lefties started screaming racist.
We didn't HAVE tests yet.. Lie to us again about how Trump refused tests,, I debunked that already.
Trump is Hitler
Trump is a tyrant
He's not doing enough
Do you lefties even know just how crazy you look?
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Reply #9 - 04/05/20 at 00:27:40
 
The worlds richest economy...

But as the deadly virus spread from China with ferocity across the United States between late January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen — because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels, according to interviews with more than 50 current and former public health officials, administration officials, senior scientists and company executives.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country — armed with some of the most highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists — squandered its best chance of containing the virus’s spread. Instead, Americans were left largely blind to the scale of a looming public health catastrophe.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/testing-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Look I will admit I would never have picked it, but then I don't have the world's top experts at hand.
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Reply #10 - 04/05/20 at 00:38:50
 
And?
Criticism?
My Shokkt face can't be reached for comment..
Honesty is all that is lacking.
Trump has moved as swiftly as critics would allow.
You people call him a Tyrant, but you want him to stop people at the borders, except when Having borders is actually racist,,
Why didn't Obama have tests waiting for an unknown virus?
See how stupid that sounds when Obama gets included? What about Fauci? Where was he on getting prepared?
Gosh, maybe Trump COULD have done a better job.. but in January he was fighting a buncha made up BULLSHIT charges,, and lefties were slobbering and yapping about getting Trump..
But you think he should have been better at addressing it..

You would not admit it if he did it perfectly.
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Reply #11 - 04/05/20 at 00:43:49
 
And? this...

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184015/coronavirus-testing-pcr-diagnosti...

At the center of all of this chaos is a relatively straightforward type of test called a polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, that’s been around for decades. To run it, a doctor swabs a patient’s nose or throat and sends the sample to a lab. The lab then looks for tiny snippets of the virus’s genetic material. PCR analysis is complicated but reliable.

This is the explanation for the thread title.

Do you have another theory?
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Reply #12 - 04/05/20 at 00:47:23
 
Wouldn't it be Fauci who should know about that ?
You think TRUMP was supposed to?
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Reply #13 - 04/05/20 at 00:50:49
 
My best suggestion for you is
Don't vote for Trump..
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Reply #14 - 04/05/20 at 00:51:59
 

In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is distributing its 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel to public health labs through the International Reagent Resource.[13] One of three genetic tests in older versions of the test kits caused inconclusive results due to faulty reagents, and a bottleneck of testing at the CDC in Atlanta; this resulted in an average of fewer than 100 samples a day being successfully processed throughout the whole of February 2020.

Tests using two components were not determined to be reliable until 28 February 2020, and it was not until then that state and local laboratories were permitted to begin testing.[14] The test was approved by the Food and Drug Administration under an Emergency Use Authorization.[citation needed]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

It's all very well Trump calling countries 'sh!tholes' but when push comes to shove.
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