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RocketScienceSmurf Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 268 Sweden Gender:	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #15 - 04/13/20 at 22:21:19 I wouldn't say I want a performance engine but a little more low end torque would be nice if it is a drop in replacement but I don't think my engine will ever see more that 4krpm.
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Reply #16 - 04/14/20 at 07:37:40

When I was shopping for all the parts I needed (or thought I might need) I also bought the oil seals that sits on the valve stems. Since I have new ones, should I replace them? Replacing them means I have to compress the springs and remove them I think. If i do that should I also take some time to polish/lap the valve seats?

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Reply #17 - 04/14/20 at 12:03:14

Managed to lift of the top today but I think I'm starting to understand why people put a lot of time and effort in using the existing cam chain as long as possible.

Am I correct in assuming I need to remove the primary drive gear that sits in front of the cam chain sprocket? And to do that I must remove the entire clutch?

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Reply #18 - 04/14/20 at 12:07:52

RocketScienceSmurf wrote on 04/14/20 at 12:03:14:

Managed to lift of the top today but I think I'm starting to understand why people put a lot of time and effort in using the existing cam chain as long as possible.

Am I correct in assuming I need to remove the primary drive gear that sits in front of the cam chain sprocket? And to do that I must remove the entire clutch?

Yes.
don't loose the oil drive pin when you pull the clutch.

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eau de sauvage Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2565 Queensland Gender:	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #19 - 04/14/20 at 21:24:50 RocketScienceSmurf wrote on 03/23/20 at 02:40:47: Still looking for recommendations on whether I should go with open or endless chain. Check with Lancer to see if he has any nitride chains left.
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Reply #20 - 04/14/20 at 23:03:37

eau de sauvage wrote on 04/14/20 at 21:24:50:

RocketScienceSmurf wrote on 03/23/20 at 02:40:47:

Still looking for recommendations on whether I should go with open or endless chain.

Check with Lancer to see if he has any nitride chains left.

Thank you but I already bought a regular closed chain. I now need to start disassembling the right side of the engine. Since I now know what I have to do I will try and film everything and take some pics that can hopefully help others.

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Reply #21 - 04/15/20 at 06:42:03

I am writing down my findings so far in a document and comparing to exploded views/schematics of the engine. I notice there is supposed to be an O-ring aroung one of the guide pins between the valve plate and the cylinder head (?) in the lower left part of the picture attached. The part number is 1117824B00. Have this changed in the newer versions of the engine since my engine seem to only have the silicone gasket?

Btw the number of my engine is P402-118156

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28890 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #22 - 04/15/20 at 06:46:14 No, it has not.
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Reply #23 - 04/19/20 at 06:21:00

I seem to go from one seemingly unsurpassable problem to another. I managed to loosen the nut holding the cam chain sprocket or whatever it is called but now the soft metal piece I used to lock the to gears, is stuck FIRMLY betweeen them and I have absolutely no idea how to get it out. What part blocks the axle form going backwards and can it be removed so I can turn things backwards again to get the brass piece out?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #24 - 04/19/20 at 08:27:39 Put the bolt back in,, use that to spin the gears, then, use leather, and back it out again
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RocketScienceSmurf Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 268 Sweden Gender:	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #25 - 04/19/20 at 08:58:20 I'm sorry but I don't understand which bolt I should put back. And it feels like something prevents the gears from going in the wring direction and I don't know what that is and if it may break if I try and force it to go backwards.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28890 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #26 - 04/19/20 at 10:15:23 put the 'nut' back on that you just took off. the torque to dislodge the piece will be less than the original torque.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #27 - 04/19/20 at 10:15:46 Is the cam chain still on?
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Reply #28 - 04/19/20 at 10:43:52

Yes the chain is still on. I think I need to remove both gears before the cam chain can be removed. At first I thought only the clutch had to be removed but now I'm pretty sure both gears have tom come off.

I understand that slightly tightening the left hand threaded nut will turn the gears backwards to release the brass piece but the engine does not seem like it wants to turn in that direction and I am afraid something might get damaged if I force it.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Parts list for cam chain replacement Reply #29 - 04/19/20 at 11:10:52 It's only going to take a few degrees of rotation to unseat the gears from the brass. I don't THINK that would hurt anything, even IF it's old enough to Not have the Anti Backlash starter gear setup.
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