Looked at this way, which is the most realistic metric it shows that in spite of Trump's endless tricks and circuses and the screechlings in the House defending Trump without regard to trashing any legacy or respect they might have been able to garner even after 3 years of toadying.

So imagine these two groups, one 25% larger than the other, that is a decent wedge, nothing's going to change their minds if it hasn't already. This is pretty darning. That's 'removal', as opposed to 'impeached but not removed.'

My interest in all this in case no one was wondering, is that I can already see that this will be one of those momentous events that shape world history, in maybe 30 years when we've had enough time to see how Brexit and the new alliances work out.



I sense, or maybe I hope that you septics are not as vacant as you seem if we judge you by the political advertisements that are allowed. It's easy to get fooled by Trump's propaganda, this is why when I read  the powerful words by Judge William Webster in the NYT, I think 'yeah, of course they'll vote him out'. But really I do not know which way you people will vote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/opinion/FBI-Trump-russia-investigation.html

It would seem to me that the best strategy for the GOP, to still have a chance of winning while at the same time redeeming themselves, by admitting the evidence of Bolton by calling Trump's bluff and then remove him, put it all behind them and blame it on him. Not that I want them to do this, I'd rather watch it play out as it does, that's what's interesting, nevertheless that would be a good strategy. Trump's already done the dirty work.

If they did decide to go down this pragmatic road, they have already marked themselves are opportunistic hypocrites par excellence. So they would just have to agree to Bolton and Mulvaney to testify, under the pretext of being fair, then they can claim to be shocked at what has suddenly been revealed. Problem with this though is that there's been so many lies told already that they dare not open themselves up to testimony under oath. This entire impeachment snd subsequent trial, has not even gotten to second gear yet. The Reds are going to be tangled up in a blue web of their own design.

The Republicans have been hoist with their own retard, in the form of The Donald Lame Duck Trump.

Whichever way it goes it will define America for the next century.

WebsterMark wrote on 12/22/19 at 06:48:15:




Come on man, pay attention The AOCialist has declared the world "as we know it" will be over. AOC and REM have both said it, so it must be true.

Cool.
Srinath.

Serowbot wrote on 12/22/19 at 08:33:42:



Even Putin has chimed in. I seriously think he's trolling the entire US, he's probably more interested than the chaos rather than that Trump actually gets in although it was a pretty big bonus last go.

US policy is already aligned with Russia, Putin has just announced he's going to extend his reign till 2024. Why not have a single dual presidency for both countries. Throw in Alaska as a sweetener.

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/19/789718925/vladimir-putin-backs-trump-calling-i...

Actually on second thought Putin has the power to shelter Trump from the inevitable prosecution. He could build his Trump Moscow hotel and he could be made honorary Vice president... permanently with a nice braided jacket. They could go horse riding and golfing together. When you see Putin holding Trump's wee tiny little hand, the love you see is not faked, there's genuine mutual affection.

I predict that in the years to come when Donald Trump is just another schlub facing a long jail term or the rest of his life fighting it. Imagine the sh!t he's going to be in when his protective and temporary Presidential shell is gone. He is so fcucked, bigly.