Do you think it's not going to happen now?

What's changed?

Articles will be drawn up.

It will not get past the Senate.

But nonetheless, it'll be formal.

raydawg wrote on 11/26/19 at 07:32:28:


People say all sorts of absurd things, making much of some Democrat leadership pains to not telegraph prejudgement.   These are not honest concerns, but a campaign designed to suggest uncertainty of evidence or purpose.

I hope it goes to the senate, we get more witnesses called to testify,  subpoenas issued, to those who won't honor them, held accountable.

As do I- though I have little hope of accountability.   Pelosi seems to have judged using the full power of the House to compel testimony not politically constructive in this time.

Maybe we can get to the truth based on actual facts that can be verified.

I'm doubtful you are susceptible to what you are asking for- we had candidate Trump on live TV bizarrely ask Russia specifically to attack his political rival's computer system; within hours they did so, then release curated portions of stolen communications a few days before the election; Trump's campaign briefed Russian intelligence on key battleground States.     Do those facts matter to you? Trump's campaign contracted Cambridge Analytica, the very company approached by Russia to influence US elections and sew division among the US electorate; Trump parroted propaganda generated by Russian troll farm the Internet Research Agency, an organ of Putin's power; connections and overlay between the two are on the order of hearing a gunshot, turning a corner to see a man with a smoking gun standing over a corps with a fresh bullet wound.   Whether you reasonably regard the facts in pursuit of an accurate apprehension of truth is up to you- but you've given me plenty of reason to be skeptical of your regard, Ray.

People say all sorts of absurd things...

Right on cue-

WebsterMark wrote on 11/26/19 at 08:28:56:


The label is the least important aspect- real damage, real crimes. Given the evidence presented thus far, anything less than a hearing in the Senate will declare the House party to lawlessness.  The presumption is fantastic.

Impeachment is in the House and you're either impeached or not.
The trial is in the Senate where you're either guilty or acquitted.

What goes for Jordan goes the same for Shifty Shiff.

Point is, can they draw up articles of impeachment, make a big deal out of releasing to the press, maybe even have copies available for the public, put an original copy on display like the declaration of independence etc.. but never actually take an impeachment vote. That way they can keep talking about it without actually facing the most severe ramifications that could come from it.

But, they got to do something. It's going down in flames and actually taking an impeachment vote might not be a very good idea because by the time they actually get around to it, they might not have enough democratic support or even if they do, the numbers might be way closer than they want.

They're in a tough spot.

raydawg wrote on 11/26/19 at 10:50:25:

Despite professed preferences, Ray's reasoning is, here, sound; in this, he distinguishes himself from Mark... before returning to type with the "AOC folk" noise.   Who does the Dawg refer to?   Women?   People of color?  Folks who value justice, rule of law, decency, equity, and a future that doesn't resemble a bad sci-fi novel?

WebsterMark wrote on 11/26/19 at 10:34:33:


Through Mark's broken lens, all the children on Santa's list are naughty.   Every horrible person is equivocated to a good person.   Everybody is covered in the crap he flings.

Any person of integrity viewing the last week of testimony can attest to how of a piece Jim and Mark are.   Lump of coal for you, Mark.

Look Mark, you can't put that Genie back in the bottle.....

We heard over, and over again from Schiff, and the media, how the evidence was overwhelming, and again, the damage, and threat, to our Constitution, Trump posed, and executed.....required this action.

I disagree Ray. Schiff said over and over again that he had clear and convincing evidence of criminal conspiracy with regards to the Russian conspiracy case and I would challenge you to remember the last time you heard that talked about even though it dominated the news cycle day and night for two years...... Seriously, isn't it amazing that a topic that big died that quickly.....It's like the Titanic. One day it's floating along, dominating the skyline and before you know it, you gotta go deep to catch even a glimpse of it.    I'm not saying repeating that feat would be easy, but as long as the media goes along with it, which of course they will, they've got a chance to pretend this who impeachment thing never happened.  

That it was NOT political, but their responsibility, to remove this Putin plant....etc.

If their proof is that damaging, and obvious, Mitch, or Jordan, will be revealed as partisans, and the swing, and undecided voters will punish them, in 2020....

Ask 100 swing state voters who Mitch McConnell is? Or Jim Jordan? 10%? 20% ?

The democrats have to believe that, or they don't....no sorta pregnant here, that I can see.  
They pushed this narrative, was it merely for political maneuvering, or is it true, and the evidence meets the preponderance?

If they back pedal....it will prove costly to them on the voters I mentioned, and inflame the AOC folks, who are very vocal.....    

Oh, they're going to inflame the AOC wing for sure. But they're going to inflame half their base no matter what they do. Go with Biden; the lunatic half is wound up. Go with Warren or Sanders, the normal half stays home or votes third party.

The Dems are in trouble for 2020. Trump pulled together the two halves of the Republican Party, mostly into one. Who on the Democratic side can merge the far, wacho, communist left with the somewhat normal, sane, old fashion liberal?

Mavigogun wrote on 11/26/19 at 13:05:41:


This may seem incomprehensible to the left; however, many people including myself believe in his platform the policies he has implementented.  Albeit he is no saint; however, I feel the direction the country is going utterly fantastic.  The only thing that could be better than a second term would be if Don Jr made it a 3rd.

Best regards,