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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #150 - 08/08/19 at 20:51:19
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/08/19 at 17:06:39:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/08/19 at 15:50:12:
 Yes, it is - in Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin and several other states.

Really, didn't know if people lived in those States, they were exempt from Federal Regulations !
Did Eric Holder say so ??????

Nope - Federal law requires background checks for commercial gun sales, but not for private-party sales whereby any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the same state as long as they do not know or have reasonable cause to believe the purchaser is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law.

I'm not going to have this conversation with you.

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #151 - 08/08/19 at 20:57:21
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/08/19 at 18:02:18:
No, its not "what you want it to be." Context is king as they say.

LMAO - now suddenly you give a sh!t about context?  That's rich!

This whole topic is centered around RANDOM MASS SHOOTINGS.  Our good friemd from Chicago doesn't start a thread when 4 or more are shot in a single incident. That probably happens every day in this country. These were unique, stand alone incidents.

Mass shooting = Mass shooting.     (spell check is your friend)

You cannot say we've had 251 mass shootings this year and lump those in as if they're the same as El Paso and Dayton. That's deceptive at best, a flat out lie at worst.

See above.

But if you repeat it long enough, the foolish will believe it like Sarah Palin had something to do with Gabby Giffords or Trump said Nazis were fine people. All of those things are not what you want it to be.


The palin mentality, just like trump's and most of the neo-cons, is the root cause.  The over the top rhetoric, the fear mongering (war on Christmas anyone?), the blind partisanship - it all contributes to things like "pizza-gate" and the "legitimacy" of morons like alex jones.

This is the bed you conservatives made.  Lay in it - wallow in it.  Own it.
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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #152 - 08/08/19 at 21:05:20
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/08/19 at 20:24:08:
Serowbot wrote on 08/08/19 at 18:27:58:
Well some count 3+ victims, some say 4+ victims,.. some say a least 4 deaths, some at least 1 death.
The death part is stupid,... if someone went into a bar and shot 27 people but none were fatal,.. I'd still call that a mass shooting. (try telling the 27 people they weren't shot)...


You're not a stupid man. Hyper-partisan, but not stupid. The nation is collectively in shock over a random mass shooting. Stop dragging what amouts to day to day criminal activity onto the same pile so as to make your  point about gun control.



Think of this, mark.  If it truly is no big deal, then why the hell are you so adamant about it?

Why are you yammering on about how we libs are stupid and we should all just focus our attention away from any type of gun control?

Why are your guns more important that someone's life?  What gives?

You wanna collect AKs - fine.  Maybe you should have to federally register it and list all your other guns.  What's the big deal?

You have such a problem with what is and isn't a mass shooting.  Why the distinction?  Mass shooting is just that - a mass shooting.

We have a serious problem in this country and no, it's not the gun's fault.  But it sure as hell wouldn't be as bad/deadly without the guns.

FFS - wake up.  We are gun crazed in this country, and until we get real change in our federal gun laws, it's not going to get any better.
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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #153 - 08/09/19 at 04:43:28
 
The palin mentality, just like trump's and most of the neo-cons, is the root cause.  The over the top rhetoric, the fear mongering (war on Christmas anyone?), the blind partisanship - it all contributes to things like "pizza-gate" and the "legitimacy" of morons like alex jones.

Simply not true. At least you get a star on your chart for for writing so many words in a row without a lie. Good for you. Your opinions are all wrong and you show zero comprehension for the depth of topics, but at least you didn't make up a lie this time. Treat yourself to some ice creme!

If over the top rhetoric, fear mongering and singling out groups for criticism were "the root cause" responsible for violence, all us armed deplorables would have confronted you snowflakes.
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Reply #154 - 08/09/19 at 04:50:55
 
FFS - wake up.  We are gun crazed in this country, and until we get real change in our federal gun laws, it's not going to get any better.

As has been pointed out and ignored, your town of Chicago has very specific and targeted gun laws yet has very high rates of gun crime. Didn't you just have a 3 day weekend in which 70 different people were shot?!

So explain just exactly why any reasonable person would expect crazed individuals, like the El Paso and Dayton killers were, are going to be prevented from getting these weapons, of which there are millions across the nation. I know you refuse to read what he wrote, but the lengths to which the El Paso shooter went to finish his plan were extraordinary. The Dayton shooter had years and years of violence in his past. Ask his ex-girlfriend. (oh thats right, you won't read that either, you'll take Maddow's word for it)

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #155 - 08/09/19 at 05:08:43
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 04:50:55:
FFS - wake up.  We are gun crazed in this country, and until we get real change in our federal gun laws, it's not going to get any better.

As has been pointed out and ignored, your town of Chicago has very specific and targeted gun laws yet has very high rates of gun crime. Didn't you just have a 3 day weekend in which 70 different people were shot?!

It's never, ever been about the local laws, mark - pay attention.

It's about the laws of the stated that border Illinois.  In Wisconsin and Indiana, you basically only need a face at a gun show to buy a gun.

Accessibility allows the gang bangers to stock up.  No, they're not going to obey signs or laws (they're , you know, criminals...), we all know that.


So explain just exactly why any reasonable person would expect crazed individuals, like the El Paso and Dayton killers were, are going to be prevented from getting these weapons, of which there are millions across the nation. I know you refuse to read what he wrote, but the lengths to which the El Paso shooter went to finish his plan were extraordinary. The Dayton shooter had years and years of violence in his past. Ask his ex-girlfriend. (oh thats right, you won't read that either, you'll take Maddow's word for it)

See above.

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #156 - 08/09/19 at 05:09:18
 
Think of this, mark.  If it truly is no big deal, then why the hell are you so adamant about it?

Why are you yammering on about how we libs are stupid and we should all just focus our attention away from any type of gun control?

Why are your guns more important that someone's life?  What gives?

You wanna collect AKs - fine.  Maybe you should have to federally register it and list all your other guns.  What's the big deal?

You have such a problem with what is and isn't a mass shooting.  Why the distinction?  Mass shooting is just that - a mass shooting.

Because you leftist are lying and trying to use this lie to advance your cause.

We have a serious problem in this country and no, it's not the gun's fault.  But it sure as hell wouldn't be as bad/deadly without the guns.

FFS - wake up.  We are gun crazed in this country, and until we get real change in our federal gun laws, it's not going to get any better.

No, we are not a gun crazed country. Virtually all gun crimes are committed in relatively isolated regions in large urban ares. You know this from Chicago, I know this from St Louis.

If we had no 2nd Amendment  would there be less gun crimes? The answer is a resounding YES. I would argue against anyone who suggested otherwise. I would also argue with out the 4th Amendment, there be gar less crime of any kind. Without the 1st, crime would drop to next to nothing.

We're Americans living in a couple centuries into the great human experiment in self-government on such a large scale.

I was watching the movie Pleasantville last night.  The basic plot line behind that movie is a boy and his sister get transported into the world of a 1950s "Leave it to Beaver " type town. The town people never leave their town, everything is in black-and-white, everything is safe and secure. And there's a scene in that movie  where the boy is trying to explain what life is like in the modern world of the United States around 2010 I suppose. He says it's dangerous, it's scary, but it's "wonderful".

I'm not giving away my freedom so you can have the illusion of safety. I'm not trusting 100% for the security of myself and my family in a government that elects people like Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Beto whatever the fxxx his last name is this week. I don't want to place everything in the hands of emasculated men or pandering women like that. Not gonna do it.
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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #157 - 08/09/19 at 05:10:16
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 04:43:28:
The palin mentality, just like trump's and most of the neo-cons, is the root cause.  The over the top rhetoric, the fear mongering (war on Christmas anyone?), the blind partisanship - it all contributes to things like "pizza-gate" and the "legitimacy" of morons like alex jones.

Simply not true. At least you get a star on your chart for for writing so many words in a row without a lie. Good for you. Your opinions are all wrong and you show zero comprehension for the depth of topics, but at least you didn't make up a lie this time. Treat yourself to some ice creme!

If over the top rhetoric, fear mongering and singling out groups for criticism were "the root cause" responsible for violence, all us armed deplorables would have confronted you snowflakes.


That rhetoric originates on the right.  The alex jones' of the world are not on the left.  Fear is the tool of the conservative.
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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #158 - 08/09/19 at 07:11:46
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 05:08:43:
It's about the laws of the stated that border Illinois.    

And again you completely LIE.
(What was that Propaganda, Repeat a LIE often enough, and people will believe it)
You do nothing but, BLAME someone else.

You simply do NOT know what all the laws are.
You simply don't know all firearms are required to have a serial number on them, (G.C.A. 1968)
You simply don't know what a trace is or how they work.
You simply don't know how a Face to Face transfer works, what it involves, how it accomplished, and how people do it.
No reason to educate you, you will just keep repeating LIES.

You do know how to,
'cry, cry, cry, it's their fault, that Socialism is not working in Ill/Chicago, sniff, sniff, sniff'.

Used to say: "How's that war on Drugs working for ya"
But you never got it.
Let's try this:
"How's that Socialism in IL working for ya ?"






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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #159 - 08/09/19 at 07:49:20
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:11:46:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 05:08:43:
It's about the laws of the stated that border Illinois.    

And again you completely LIE.
(What was that Propaganda, Repeat a LIE often enough, and people will believe it)
You do nothing but, BLAME someone else.

You simply do NOT know what all the laws are.
Yes, I do.
You simply don't know all firearms are required to have a serial number on them, (G.C.A. 1968)
I never disputed that.  I'm talking about a license, not serial number.
You simply don't know what a trace is or how they work.
Yes, I do.  But if you buy a gun at a gun show in Wisconsin, it's up to "billy bob" to do the due diligence...lol
You simply don't know how a Face to Face transfer works, what it involves, how it accomplished, and how people do it.
See above re: billy bob.
No reason to educate you, you will just keep repeating LIES.
I only deal in facts, sorry.
You do know how to,
'cry, cry, cry, it's their fault, that Socialism is not working in Ill/Chicago, sniff, sniff, sniff'.

Used to say: "How's that war on Drugs working for ya"
But you never got it.
Let's try this:
"How's that Socialism in IL working for ya ?"


I like the socialist programs.  I like affordable housing, I like public schools, I like the interstates, I like Obamacare, I (will) like Medicare, etc.

I like that you're scared of them.  LOL







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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #160 - 08/09/19 at 07:51:39
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/08/19 at 21:05:20:
federally register it and list all your other guns.

See how that works,
You say one thing: "federally register it" about one type of firearm.
Then sneak in: "and list all your other guns"

Ya Just Don't get it.
(And most likely never will)

Oh, By The Way,
How's that Socialism working for ya in Ill ?

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #161 - 08/09/19 at 08:10:55
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:51:39:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/08/19 at 21:05:20:
federally register it and list all your other guns.

See how that works,
You say one thing: "federally register it" about one type of firearm.
Then sneak in: "and list all your other guns"

Ya Just Don't get it.
(And most likely never will)

Oh, By The Way,
How's that Socialism working for ya in Ill ?

It's going great, thanks!


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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #162 - 08/09/19 at 08:40:05
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:10:55:
(Regarding Socialism)  It's going great, thanks!

So is that why:
"It's about the laws of the stated that border Illinois."

You always, cry, that it is, always, someone Else's fault !

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #163 - 08/09/19 at 08:43:49
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:40:05:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:10:55:
(Regarding Socialism)  It's going great, thanks!

So is that why:
"It's about the laws of the stated that border Illinois."

You always, cry, that it is, always, someone Else's fault !

Well, mn - can you show us all how the gun laws in Indiana, Wisconsin and Iowa re the same as Illinois?

(I'll answer it for ya - No, they're not)

Do you need an analogy to understand/comprehend?

Fine - let's say that you live in a dry county.  If you want a beer, then all you gotta do is drive to the next county.

Any of this sinking in?.....(that's rhetorical)


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Reply #164 - 08/09/19 at 08:55:52
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:43:49:
say that you live in a dry county.  If you want a beer, then all you gotta do is drive to the next county.

I'll repeat:
"You simply don't know how a Face to Face transfer works, what it involves, how it accomplished, and how people do it"
and "No reason to educate you, you will just keep repeating LIES."

Just like C.U., B.S., AOC, and R.M. have TOLD YOU to do.

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