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Reply #135 - 08/08/19 at 15:52:06

verslagen1 wrote on 08/08/19 at 15:30:08:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/08/19 at 14:33:49:

Well, sadly, Mother Jones' guidelines are far different than most:

Here is a description of the criteria we use:

The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people.

Then we have Snopes:

[b]The United States had 251 mass shootings during the first 216 days of 2019.

[i]What's True
When "mass shooting" is defined as an incident in which four or more people are shot, the U.S. had 251 such incidents in the first 216 days of 2019.

What's False
No set definition exists for "mass shooting." As such, the number of incidents varies greatly depending on the criteria used to count them.

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12918 Gender:	Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton Reply #136 - 08/08/19 at 16:28:51 This is stupid. Gang bangers shooting each other and a nut shooting indiscriminately into a crowd are not the same thing. This is the left's pathetic attempt to inflate stats when it suits them. There have been a few random mass shootings this year. End of discussion.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12918 Gender:	Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton Reply #137 - 08/08/19 at 16:29:59 If you can't keep up, it's not my fault. Keeping up with your childish nonsense and lies is a full time job.
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton Reply #138 - 08/08/19 at 16:42:40 WebsterMark wrote on 08/08/19 at 16:29:59: If you can't keep up, it's not my fault. Keeping up with your childish nonsense and lies is a full time job. Oooo... scathing retort mark!
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Online Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9060 Minn Gender:	Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton Reply #139 - 08/08/19 at 17:06:39 T And T Garage wrote on 08/08/19 at 15:50:12: Yes, it is - in Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin and several other states. Really, didn't know if people lived in those States, they were exempt from Federal Regulations ! Did Eric Holder say so ?????? I'm not going to have this conversation with you. Figures
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8055	Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton Reply #140 - 08/08/19 at 17:28:52 I would have to agree that the definition of 4 or more injured is too vague to meet the common perception of "mass shooting". The key word being "perception". So since there is no specific definition there is no point to having the argument of what a "mass shooting" is. It's what you want it to be.
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Reply #141 - 08/08/19 at 17:59:47

Eegore wrote

"It's what you want it to be."

Yup. Definitions matter. Without agreement about what a word or a phrase means, any meaningful discussion is impossible.

Which , of course, is quite often the point of trying to control the definition in the first place. Folks can't think without using words to form their thoughts. Control the words, control the thoughts.

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Reply #142 - 08/08/19 at 18:02:18

No, its not "what you want it to be." Context is king as they say. This whole topic is centered around RANDOM MASS SHOOTINGS. Our good friemd from Chicago doesn't start a thread when 4 or more are shot in a single incident. That probably happens every day in this country. These were unique, stand alone incidents.

You cannot say we've had 251 mass shootings this year and lump those in as if they're the same as El Paso and Dayton. That's deceptive at best, a flat out lie at worst.

But if you repeat it long enough, the foolish will believe it like Sarah Palin had something to do with Gabby Giffords or Trump said Nazis were fine people. All of those things are not what you want it to be.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Online Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9060 Minn Gender:	Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton Reply #143 - 08/08/19 at 18:10:40 WebsterMark wrote on 08/08/19 at 18:02:18: "... But if you repeat (a Lie) long enough, the foolish will believe it ..." Just like the LIE Sarah Brady repeated for 43 years. And her followers are still repeating the LIE.
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Reply #144 - 08/08/19 at 18:26:29

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You cannot say we've had 251 mass shootings this year and lump those in as if they're the same as El Paso and Dayton. That's deceptive at best, a flat out lie at worst.

But if you repeat it long enough, the foolish will believe it like Sarah Palin had something to do with Gabby Giffords or Trump said Nazis were fine people. All of those things are not what you want it to be.

"A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth"
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28418 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton Reply #145 - 08/08/19 at 18:27:58 Well some count 3+ victims, some say 4+ victims,.. some say a least 4 deaths, some at least 1 death. The death part is stupid,... if someone went into a bar and shot 27 people but none were fatal,.. I'd still call that a mass shooting. (try telling the 27 people they weren't shot)...
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Reply #146 - 08/08/19 at 18:37:14

"The death part is stupid,... if someone went into a bar and shot 27 people but none were fatal,.. I'd still call that a mass shooting."

This demonstrates my point.

The parameters are set by the person making the assessment. I have asked this very question before, if someone wounds a group of people with a gun would that be a mass shooting?

Is it "Shooting?" that makes the definition?

This is why I prefer the Active Shooter definition. Either someone is/was actively shooting, or they are/were not. Then its a matter of intent.

We can argue the definition all day long and still get nowhere.

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #147 - 08/08/19 at 18:47:18

Serowbot wrote on 08/08/19 at 18:27:58:

"... The death part is stupid,... if someone went into a bar and shot 27 people but none were fatal,.. I'd still call that a mass shooting. (try telling the 27 people they weren't shot)...

If those 27 people died in a car accident, by a drunk driver hitting them.
If those 27 people died in a car accident, by someone who was texting.

Would it be the glass bottle, or the cell phone, that is at fault ?

Or would it be the person who drank what was in the bottle,
and used the cell phone ?

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #148 - 08/08/19 at 19:02:59

MnSpring wrote on 08/08/19 at 18:47:18:

Serowbot wrote on 08/08/19 at 18:27:58:

"... The death part is stupid,... if someone went into a bar and shot 27 people but none were fatal,.. I'd still call that a mass shooting. (try telling the 27 people they weren't shot)...

If those 27 people died in a car accident, by a drunk driver hitting them.
If those 27 people died in a car accident, by someone who was texting.

Would it be the glass bottle, or the cell phone, that is at fault ?

Or would it be the person who drank what was in the bottle,
and used the cell phone ?

It would be the car's fault.

Just like all shootings are the gun's fault.

Which is why we gotta ban them

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Re: At Least 9 Dead In Dayton
Reply #149 - 08/08/19 at 20:24:08

Serowbot wrote on 08/08/19 at 18:27:58:

Well some count 3+ victims, some say 4+ victims,.. some say a least 4 deaths, some at least 1 death.
The death part is stupid,... if someone went into a bar and shot 27 people but none were fatal,.. I'd still call that a mass shooting. (try telling the 27 people they weren't shot)...

You're not a stupid man. Hyper-partisan, but not stupid. The nation is collectively in shock over a random mass shooting. Stop dragging what amouts to day to day criminal activity onto the same pile so as to make your point about gun control.

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