And I could site Federalist 46. JOG has posted i fo for these past years on this topic.

The undeniable bottom line is for the vast majority of this nation's history, the freedom from government interference in the lives of it's citizens with regards to private firearm ownership has been understood and agreed to by a vast majority. We've agreed to restrictions that do not violate the spirit of the 2nd Amendment. Automatic weapons are very difficult, not impossible, to obtain. I don't believe there are many who object to that. I don't. You can't own a jet with sidewinder missiles, I'm okay with that. Just like certain exceptions to all the original Amendments.

So we're faced with how to react to the rare random mass shootings. Do we use the current judicial system to add more exceptions to the 2nd?

I say no. There are millions and millions of semiauto rifles in this country today of which 99.99999% are never used in the commission of a crime. It seems un-American to restrict the freedom of many due to what is chiefly a partisan political response to relativity rare events.

And before some of you go bonkers over that last statement, let me point out that I recall at least two of you objecting to immigration restrictions from chiefly Islamic nations with poor passport control after the California shootings because you thought the extreme rareness of these events meant any proposal was not proportional. I would say the same thing here. Fact is we've had the equivalent of 4 or 5 El Paso's if you consider the murders that have occurred in the nation since last Saturday. These shootings are rare. Don't toss aside a couple hundred years of historical precedent and sound logic based on what is partially a media fueled outrage.

There are 300 million plus people in the us. Take the number of random mass shootings this year and do a little math. The answer will be rare.

Than a drivers license???  Millions of people drive millions of miles per day constantly interacting with others. How many accidents across the nation are there everyday? 50,000? No idea. The vast vast majority of all guns sit unused for months or years at a time.

Where did 99.9999% come from? It’s an obvious made up number to prove a point. But again do the math. I read there are an estimated 55 million semi auto rifles in US.

Okay,.. I read Federalist 46.
It's mostly talking about America not having enough people to support a standing army that could repel the British.
Note they are talking about a militia to repel the British... Invasion and insurrection.  (Insurrection would likely be referring to English loyalists)
Not modern times individuals standing against their own US government.
But even if it was,.. the militia would be there to tamp them down not arm them.

The main point here is, we now have a standing army.  It is the most powerful in the world.
One has to look at reality.
So many things are so different now.
Population,.. weaponry,...
...frikken' Paul Revere would have a smart phone.

A well regulated militia is no longer a consideration.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/08/19 at 08:05:31:


LOL - yeah, because the express intent of pools is to drown children, right?

mark - the semi-auto gun is manufactured to one thing, and one thing only - destroy anything it's pointed at.

Don't give me BS stats on accidental deaths by drowning or cars - those are laughable comparisons.

We have about 350 million guns in this country - why is anyone surprised that we have hundreds - yes, mark, HUNDREDS of mass shootings every year?

The right to bear 100 round assault rifles...

Serowbot wrote on 08/08/19 at 09:57:36:


That's a lot to carry but whatever.

Look, we've hit a wall. It's an absolutely true statement, guns don't kill peopel, people kill people. If guns kill people then pencils make spelling mistakes.

Murder rates have fallen dramatically over the past decades. These random mass shootings are seemingly increasing. Despite what the kid under your skirt says, there have not been hundreds of mass shootings. That's just using the wrong statistic for drama's sake. If you're serious about this, then be serious. Look at the people who are doing this. Understand them. Both young men had serious, serious issues. I don't know what the answer is, but I know what its not. And further inflaming the country pursuing solutions that won't do anything of significance is foolish.

Look, I know you are a serial liar, but lets get this straight. When you say hundreds of mass shootings this year in a conversation about El Paso and Dayton, you are lying. You are holding up an apple and an orange and tring to blow smoke up everyone's a$$.