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Re: She's the future
Reply #30 - 05/24/19 at 11:59:29
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/24/19 at 11:52:50:
"...  oh, but we cant' dare treat AOC the same...

You, (and others) are NOT.
You are giving the, 'C ock Holster' a Great BIG PASS.
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Reply #31 - 05/24/19 at 12:05:39
 
not any more of a pass than YOU give to Trump, and somehow I'm not allowed to give AOC that pass but YOU are allowed to give Trump that pass and then some..... yeah... no
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Reply #32 - 05/24/19 at 12:08:37
 
"so she made a mistake...  was it an honest one that she's not pursuing as a messaging aspect of her campaign or is she doubling down and calling everything "fake news""

 Yes.  Again - the point is she stated something incorrect similar to other politicians.

"so that's a correction...  under her direction assumingly right? "

 I typically avoid assumption.  I have witnessed situations where campaign managers act in defiance of their client's wishes as well as campaign managers act in accordance.  I don't know here, so I will not make an assessment.

"even so, I'll give you that she may not have a full understanding of all the details of everything, but her point of not wanting a quota for ICE detainees is a good one right? "

 I would have to see a cost to funding breakdown.  "it may have been " and "I think in practice" is not a validating statement of fact to me.  

 I have worked in Federal environments where the outside perspective is that funding is allocated by usage when it is not.  The idea that I would get paid more per bullet used is a direct opposite outcome from what actually happens.

"and no other politician ever exaggerates like that"

 I never said that, you did.  I very specifically indicated that other politicians do, and even included everyone else on the planet:

"because they say things that are wrong.  We all do that.
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Reply #33 - 05/24/19 at 12:40:36
 
AOC rocks!  She is the future of the democratic party and the conservatives are scared $hitless!

GO AOC!!!

Wish she were in my state.
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Reply #34 - 05/24/19 at 12:54:56
 
T And T Garage wrote on 05/24/19 at 12:40:36:
AOC ... She is the future of the democratic party .

So very glad to know you personally, LOVE a,
Socialist, Fairy Dust Springing, Ultra Liberal,
Who wants, Gimme/Gimme/Gimme,

with not the FIRST Clue of how to pay for it !

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin  Kiss

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Reply #35 - 05/24/19 at 12:56:38
 
Eegore wrote on 05/24/19 at 12:08:37:
"so she made a mistake...  was it an honest one that she's not pursuing as a messaging aspect of her campaign or is she doubling down and calling everything "fake news""

 Yes.  Again - the point is she stated something incorrect similar to other politicians.

"so that's a correction...  under her direction assumingly right? "

 I typically avoid assumption.  I have witnessed situations where campaign managers act in defiance of their client's wishes as well as campaign managers act in accordance.  I don't know here, so I will not make an assessment.


but you are assuming her mistakes are for ill intent, and you've never brought up Trump's inaccuracies here, so apparently those never bother you... but someone rude makes a comment about AOC and you're all over defending their stance...  



"even so, I'll give you that she may not have a full understanding of all the details of everything, but her point of not wanting a quota for ICE detainees is a good one right? "

 I would have to see a cost to funding breakdown.  "it may have been " and "I think in practice" is not a validating statement of fact to me.  

 I have worked in Federal environments where the outside perspective is that funding is allocated by usage when it is not.  The idea that I would get paid more per bullet used is a direct opposite outcome from what actually happens.

so you want ICE out their hunting down  immigrants to fill beds?




"and no other politician ever exaggerates like that"

 I never said that, you did.  I very specifically indicated that other politicians do, and even included everyone else on the planet:

"because they say things that are wrong.  We all do that.

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Reply #36 - 05/24/19 at 12:58:38
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/24/19 at 12:54:56:
T And T Garage wrote on 05/24/19 at 12:40:36:
AOC ... She is the future of the democratic party .

So very glad to know you personally, LOVE a,
Socialist, Fairy Dust Springing, Ultra Liberal,
Who wants, Gimme/Gimme/Gimme,

with not the FIRST Clue of how to pay for it !

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin  Kiss




well, see first we hire a someone to put you in a dunk box and let you have a mega phone and allow people to pay to pull a lever to dunk you into some water...  after they hear you for about 2 seconds they'll be lining up to dunk your sorry butt...  see MN, even you have your place in the new Utopia!!!  :p
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Reply #37 - 05/24/19 at 13:12:42
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/24/19 at 12:58:38:
"... even you have your place in the new Utopia!!!

WOW, the, '...new Utopia...'.
A place, where, EVERYBODY, gets EVERYTHING they WANT,
with out, having to do One Thing ?

(Have you ever read: 'The Little Red Hen') ?

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Reply #38 - 05/24/19 at 13:35:10
 
"but you are assuming her mistakes are for ill intent, and you've never brought up Trump's inaccuracies here, so apparently those never bother you... but someone rude makes a comment about AOC and you're all over defending their stance... "

 Really?  Going this route again even though all of this is documented?

 I never said anything about intent.  Never.

"and you've never brought up Trump's inaccuracies here"

 Incorrect.  I have made threads specific to Trump's inaccurate comments.  

 Explain how this thread, that I started, is not very specifically about Trump making an inaccurate statement:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1546008345/4#4



 I even brought it up in this very thread, I stated:

"I think all politicians do this, including Trump.  As referenced here he did say the Chinese Government pays import tariffs, which in entirely wrong.  Also as referenced here he told US Military personnel that he gave them the largest raise in a decade which every person there knew was wrong."

 You can pretend I "never pointed out Trump's inaccuracies" but everyone here has seen me do this in the past.  It's right here on these very forums.  Until You asked, I have never brought up anything specific about AOC.

"but someone rude makes a comment about AOC and you're all over defending their stance"

 Incorrect.  I have never defended anyone's stance.  YOU asked for examples.  You did that, I didn't say anything about AOC as a person, I have no opinion of her.  Find a thread where I made any comment about her.

 I said she, as well as Trump, (literally the words "including Trump") makes comments with authority about things they don't know about.

 That is all I said until I was asked for examples, then asked more questions about those examples and now you want to pretend I never criticize Trump when I did.  Literally in this very thread?
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Reply #39 - 05/24/19 at 13:44:42
 
"so you want ICE out their hunting down  immigrants to fill beds?"

 No.  I said that this document does not say that even though it was claimed as such, incorrectly, by AOC:

https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/hr2029/BILLS-114hr2029enr.pdf

 Again, the point was the claim that the document said "fill" when it does not.  That's it.  That is all I am saying.
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Reply #40 - 05/24/19 at 13:54:36
 
Eegore wrote on 05/24/19 at 13:35:10:
"but you are assuming her mistakes are for ill intent, and you've never brought up Trump's inaccuracies here, so apparently those never bother you... but someone rude makes a comment about AOC and you're all over defending their stance... "

 Really?  Going this route again even though all of this is documented?

 I never said anything about intent.  Never.

"and you've never brought up Trump's inaccuracies here"

 Incorrect.  I have made threads specific to Trump's inaccurate comments.  

 Explain how this thread, that I started, is not very specifically about Trump making an inaccurate statement:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1546008345/4#4


sorry I missed those...  


 I even brought it up in this very thread, I stated:

"I think all politicians do this, including Trump.  As referenced here he did say the Chinese Government pays import tariffs, which in entirely wrong.  Also as referenced here he told US Military personnel that he gave them the largest raise in a decade which every person there knew was wrong."

 You can pretend I "never pointed out Trump's inaccuracies" but everyone here has seen me do this in the past.  It's right here on these very forums.  Until You asked, I have never brought up anything specific about AOC.

"but someone rude makes a comment about AOC and you're all over defending their stance"

 Incorrect.  I have never defended anyone's stance.  YOU asked for examples.  You did that, I didn't say anything about AOC as a person, I have no opinion of her.  Find a thread where I made any comment about her.

 I said she, as well as Trump, (literally the words "including Trump") makes comments with authority about things they don't know about.

 That is all I said until I was asked for examples, then asked more questions about those examples and now you want to pretend I never criticize Trump when I did.  Literally in this very thread?



yeah, fair enough...   sometimes I just like to argue for argument's sake  Tongue
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Reply #41 - 05/24/19 at 16:09:45
 
"yeah, fair enough...   sometimes I just like to argue for argument's sake"

 Well if anything you provided empirical evidence of what I was originally saying.

 That people are arguing over the person and not the content.  You did this to the point of fabricating and declaring your own inaccuracies, which to me exhibits the very issue.  People want to defend the person instead of just admitting what they said was inaccurate and moving on.

"but Trump also uses"  Never said he didn't, actually said he did.

"madder at Trump for having MORE than you are at AOC"  Nope, just observing an inaccurate statement.

"do you see her's as more egregious or something?"  Nope, just observing an inaccurate statement.

"but you are assuming her mistakes are for ill intent"  Nope, just observing an inaccurate statement.

Etc. Etc.
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Reply #42 - 05/24/19 at 19:19:43
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/23/19 at 20:52:07:
https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2019/02/15/donald-trump-jr-alexandria-oca...


She's a complete idiot



So I firmly believe that if we want to take that $3 billion dollars that we were willing to give to Amazon and invest it in our local community, we can do that. We can make those jobs. We can make 25,000 jobs.


She's saying
Let's take the money we were gonna GIVE  Amazon and USE it to create jobs.
She's dumbernshit.
You Can't walk that back.
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Reply #43 - 05/24/19 at 19:38:13
 

"Let's take the money we were gonna GIVE  Amazon and USE it to create jobs."

 On the surface that makes a lot of sense to people.
 
 Don't give money to greedy corporations, invest it in local business.
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Reply #44 - 05/24/19 at 19:49:07
 
They weren't
Giving
Money to Amazon, though, were they?
Not making them pay property taxes doesn't create money to use. It's too simple to need an explanation, and yet, here I am.. TRYING to get adults to understand WHY she's an idiot.
Do people actually believe New York was GIVING CASH to Amazon?
Do people really not understand that the deal, a common deal, offered by cities to corporations as incentive to build, the state would Exempt them from property taxes for a period of time.
Why does that confuse sophisticated adults?
It's clear to me.
Wal-Mart has been a YUGE beneficiary of that very idea.

Running Amazon off cost that state tons of jobs.
And it would not have Cost them anything.
Zero.
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