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05/09/19 at 17:02:05
 
How trump doesn't incite violence?


president donald trump was on a riff about border control agents working to prevent migrants from crossing the border while speaking at his Wednesday night rally in Panama City Beach, Fla.

“You have hundreds and hundreds of people and you have two or three border security people that are brave and great — And don't forget, we don't let them and we can't let them use weapons. We can't. Other countries do. We can't. I would never do that. But how do you stop these people?" the president said.

As the president posed that question — a rally attendee in the crowd shouted: “shoot them.”

The president paused and instead of condemning the remark he said: “That’s only in the panhandle, can you get away with that statement."

The crowd erupted in cheers and laughter — after another brief pause, trump repeated: “Only in the panhandle.”



Are you fukcing kidding me???  America will be great again when this moron is out of office.
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Reply #1 - 05/09/19 at 17:18:27
 
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Are you fukcing kidding me???  America will be great again when this moron is out of office.


January 20,2025

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Reply #2 - 05/09/19 at 18:01:54
 

 How does acknowledging that a specific geographical location in the US is more likely to make a statement about shooting somebody qualify as "inciting" violence.

 By my definition inciting an act requires more than condemnation or speaking against it.  Legally I can not be convicted of inciting a crime by having no opinion of it, or acknowledging that it can happen in a specific location more often that another.
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Reply #3 - 05/09/19 at 20:39:27
 
oldNslow wrote on 05/09/19 at 17:18:27:
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Are you fukcing kidding me???  America will be great again when this moron is out of office.


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I sure hope not.  I don't think so.  I have more faith in America than to think that we'll elect trump again.
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Reply #4 - 05/09/19 at 20:41:06
 
Eegore wrote on 05/09/19 at 18:01:54:
 How does acknowledging that a specific geographical location in the US is more likely to make a statement about shooting somebody qualify as "inciting" violence.

Well Eegore - any sane, rational person would condemn that kind of talk than to make light of it.  Let's not forget - this idiot is president...

 By my definition inciting an act requires more than condemnation or speaking against it.  Legally I can not be convicted of inciting a crime by having no opinion of it, or acknowledging that it can happen in a specific location more often that another.

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Reply #5 - 05/09/19 at 20:46:34
 
 Ok but the initial claim is he incites violence and the example given is one where he doesn't condemn shooting people.

 Again we can't be convicted of inciting something we observe or do not condemn, there are other required parameters.  I don't believe Trump met those parameters with his statements in this thread.

 Not condemning violence does not mean your inciting it.  Even if you don't like the person failing to condemn.
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Eegore wrote on 05/09/19 at 20:46:34:
 Ok but the initial claim is he incites violence and the example given is one where he doesn't condemn shooting people.

 Again we can't be convicted of inciting something we observe or do not condemn, there are other required parameters.  I don't believe Trump met those parameters with his statements in this thread.

 Not condemning violence does not mean your inciting it.  Even if you don't like the person.


Fair enough, I concede - perhaps not the best choice of words.  But to make light of shooting people at the border is no less damaging than inciting violence in my opinion.  He's stirring up these types of people who don't need any stirring...  Truly deplorable...
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Reply #7 - 05/09/19 at 20:54:04
 

"But to make light of shooting people at the border is no less damaging than inciting violence in my opinion."

 Ahh yeah that makes more sense.
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Reply #8 - 05/10/19 at 06:47:31
 
More hypocrisy from the tt

T And T Garage wrote on 05/09/19 at 17:02:05:
How trump doesn't incite violence?
“That’s only in the panhandle, can you get away with that statement.”
any sane, rational person would condemn that kind of talk than to make light of it.

Gosh, not a problem when a, ‘comedian’, walks around with a severed bloody head likeness.
Not a problem when a, ‘artist’, paints derogatory photos, and hangs them in windows.
Not a problem when a ‘comedian’ says, ’someone should shoot him’.
Not a problem when a, ‘comedian’, trashes, every show.
Not a problem when all sorts of ‘Hollywood Elite’s, say really nasty things.

Non of those are, ‘inciting’, violence’.
And of course, all those are totally, ’Sane’, talk/practices.
(Sane if one is a UL, FDS, Socialist)

Who say:
I am free to say/do, what ever I want to Condemn the POTUS.
Yet you, cannot say ANYTHING, to support the POTUS.


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"Gosh, not a problem when a, ‘comedian’, walks around with a severed bloody head likeness."

 This is a good point.  If someone had a severed head of an immigrant at the rally I am sure the inciting violence route would have been taken.

An effigy in my opinion is an effigy and should be equal in weight as to who it represents.
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Reply #10 - 05/10/19 at 08:05:36
 
So leftist chasing Senators out of restaurants, protesting in front of conservative commentators homes, and shouting down speakers doesn't incite violence?  Not to mention referring to Trump as Hitler and supporters as Nazis. Wouldn't anyone traveling back in time kill Hitler as a youngster given the chance?
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Reply #11 - 05/10/19 at 08:16:17
 
So leftist chasing Senators out of restaurants, protesting in front of conservative commentators homes, and shouting down speakers doesn't incite violence?

 That's the same type of activity as conservatives assaulting patrons of Red Hen restaurants and making death threats to owners and staff.  Those are both examples of inciting violence, however I do not think effigy or complacency apply to that term.

 Just as with holding an effigy human head, chasing people out of restaurants, or making threats should, to me, be equal in assessment and not political.

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Reply #12 - 05/10/19 at 12:52:48
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/10/19 at 08:05:36:
So leftist chasing Senators out of restaurants, protesting in front of conservative commentators homes, and shouting down speakers doesn't incite violence?  Not to mention referring to Trump as Hitler and supporters as Nazis. Wouldn't anyone traveling back in time kill Hitler as a youngster given the chance?  



Yeah, if you read my response to Eegore, you'll see that I conceded that I used the wrong simile.

Maybe you should address the fact that trump made light of a guy suggesting that we shoot people at the border, mark- unless you're OK with that.

Are you?
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Reply #13 - 05/10/19 at 16:39:58
 
T And T Garage wrote on 05/10/19 at 12:52:48:
Maybe you should address the fact that trump made light of a guy suggesting that we shoot people at the border,

Would that be anything like the V.P. of the USA saying:
"you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."
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Reply #14 - 05/10/19 at 16:49:46
 
^^^  Checkmate

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