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Reply #15 - 05/10/19 at 18:01:24

MnSpring wrote on 05/10/19 at 16:39:58:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/10/19 at 12:52:48:

Maybe you should address the fact that trump made light of a guy suggesting that we shoot people at the border,

Would that be anything like the V.P. of the USA saying:
"you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

No, mn, it's not the same at all. Once again, you take it out of context. Read on:

In February 2013, Biden gave an interview to Field & Stream magazine on the subject of gun violence and gun control. He was asked about the regulation of the very popular AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and its uses in hunting, self-defense, and target practice. Biden played down the use of such a weapon in hunting, saying: “If you have to go up into the Poconos and go bear hunting or deer hunting with that weapon, and you need a clip that has 30 rounds in it, then you shouldn’t be hunting. You’re a danger to yourself. If you can’t get the bear or the deer in four or five shots, you’ve got a problem.”

When the interviewer asked “What about the other uses, for self-defense and target practice?”, the Vice President responded as follows:

Well, the way in which we measure it is — I think most scholars would say — is that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, “Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there’s the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.”

I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because [if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal.

The quotation included in the meme is therefore authentic, but a couple of contextual points should be noted.

First, Biden was speaking favorably about the use of a shotgun for self-defense in comparison with the use of an AR-15. He was not promoting shotguns in a television commercial nor recommending their use on his own initiative. He was making a broader point about what he perceived as the limited justifications for owning and using an AR-15 rifle after having been asked about the issue of self-defense specifically.

Second, the quotation from the meme was actually an instance of Biden paraphrasing himself, recalling an online forum in which he had earlier participated. It’s not clear which conversation Biden was recalling, but it might have been one hosted by Parents magazine on 20 February 2013, which attracted news coverage for similar remarks the vice president made about the preferability of a shotgun over an AR-15.

A Facebook viewer submitted the following question: “Do you believe that banning certain weapons and high-capacity magazines will mean that law-abiding citizens will then become more of a target to criminals, as we will have no way to sufficiently protect ourselves?” Biden responded to say:

If you want to protect yourself, get a double-barrelled shotgun, have the shells, a 12-gauge shotgun, and I promise you, as I told my wife — we live in an area that’s wooded and somewhat secluded — I said “Jill, if there’s ever a problem just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.” I promise you, whoever’s coming in is not — you don’t need an AR-15. It’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun.

You see mn - in context, the meaning is much different.

Now all trump did was make light of an idiot who thinks we should shoot people at the border. That's all the context you need. He didn't have the balls to condemn the statement. He said "only in the panhandle can you get away with saying that..." He thought it was funny....

Is that what you think we should do, mn - shoot people at the border? Do you think it's funny?

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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Tell Us Again Reply #16 - 05/10/19 at 18:03:33 pg wrote on 05/10/19 at 16:49:46: ^^^ Checkmate Best regards, Seems you missed the green again pro golfer. Read my response to mn. You're in double bogey land...
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Tell Us Again Reply #17 - 05/11/19 at 03:51:10 He is wrong on many levels. One should never implore it is acceptable to discharge a firearm in that circumstance. A double barrel shotgun is not ideal for home defense, certainly not better than an AR. The only story that is more ludicrous is Cheney shooting a guy in the face with a shotgun. Best regards,
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Reply #18 - 05/11/19 at 04:50:53

Not sure about that. If I knew someone was coming at me with violent intent, I think I'd rather have a shotgun than an AR. You not as likely to miss and whT you do hit, certainly isn't coming forward anymore.

I read a great study once that laid out a convincing case that a .22 mag is the best for self-defense in the home, specifically a semi auto. No recoil so second shot is on target. Unless you're shootiing everyday, that first shot with a .9mm or .45 after months and months is quite a shock. This study had access to a lot of data and noted shots after the first were all over the place. Plus a .22 mag won't go through two walls and outside.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9400 Minn Gender:	Re: Tell Us Again Reply #19 - 05/11/19 at 05:49:57 T And T Garage wrote on 05/10/19 at 18:01:24: That's all the context you need. YEP, just a waiting fro your SPIN. Gee, Biden is forgiven, for saying something so STUPID. Why ? Because it was in a interview, with a bunch of other, STUPID statements. Yet your TDS, refuses to let you see, the, 'context', of Trumps reply.
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Reply #20 - 05/11/19 at 06:12:34

Your both right.
All Shotgun, Rifle, Handgun, Cal or Gauge’s are correct.
It is the one, that YOU, use, are familiar with, and shoot the best.

Their was ALWAYS, discussion on what firearm, cal/gauge is ‘best’.
Their will ALWAYS be, discussion on which firearm, cal/gauge is ‘best’.
(Ford/Chev - Suzuki/Harley - Rem/Win - etc.)

My recommendation for the the, ‘Best’, gun/cal/gauge,
(and the same recommendations of millions of other gun people)
IS, the ‘Gun’ YOU shoot the best !

People like tt, and the rest of the Gun Grabbers, like Biden.
Do not have the first clue,
of how TOTALY Outrageous that statement was.
“just fire the shotgun through the door”
‘Just fire off two shots into the air’

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. !!!!!!!

Know what your target is, and beyond.

Yet, was Biden, actually, “Inciting Violence”, by, Telling, Encouraging people to be, STUPID ?

And one more time for the tt and like.
Shooting, ANY gun through a door,
would be the same as driving your S-40 at 80MPH, with your,
EYES CLOSED, on a curvy mountain road.

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Reply #21 - 05/11/19 at 07:56:23

T And T Garage wrote on 05/10/19 at 18:03:33:

Seems you missed the green again

tt !

This is what Biden SAID.
“Well, you know, my shotgun
will do better for you than your AR-15,
because you want to keep someone away from your house,
just fire the shotgun through the door.”

YET, all the, UL/FDS/ 'Spin Doctors', Added the word 'IF'.
“Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because [if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”

Not a problem saying, 'this is better than that', everyone does that.
Problem is Biden, SAYING/BELIEVING/TELLING everyone:
"...you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

Sure does sound like, "inciting violence".
Yet because, it's, 'Uncle Joe', go ahead, give HIM, a pass for being.
STUPID.

Expound about, 'context', again !

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Tell Us Again Reply #22 - 05/11/19 at 13:36:53 WebsterMark wrote on 05/11/19 at 04:50:53: Not sure about that. This reminded me of a scene from an old movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxQNYPYFq1c Incidentally, I prefer a G19. Best regards,
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Re: Tell Us Again
Reply #23 - 05/13/19 at 06:23:00

MnSpring wrote on 05/11/19 at 05:49:57:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/10/19 at 18:01:24:
That's all the context you need.

YEP, just a waiting fro your SPIN.
Gee, Biden is forgiven, for saying something so STUPID.
Why ?
Because it was in a interview, with a bunch of other, STUPID statements.

Yet your TDS, refuses to let you see, the, 'context', of Trumps reply.

There was no "context" to be had by trump. He made light of it mn. Period.

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Reply #24 - 05/13/19 at 06:24:07

MnSpring wrote on 05/11/19 at 07:56:23:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/10/19 at 18:03:33:

Seems you missed the green again

tt !

This is what Biden SAID.
“Well, you know, my shotgun
will do better for you than your AR-15,
because you want to keep someone away from your house,
just fire the shotgun through the door.”

YET, all the, UL/FDS/ 'Spin Doctors', Added the word 'IF'.
“Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because [if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”

Not a problem saying, 'this is better than that', everyone does that.
Problem is Biden, SAYING/BELIEVING/TELLING everyone:
"...you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

Sure does sound like, "inciting violence".
Yet because, it's, 'Uncle Joe', go ahead, give HIM, a pass for being.
STUPID.

Expound about, 'context', again !

Grin

I posted the entire quote.

You seem to be the one spinning - nice job!

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9400 Minn Gender:	Re: Tell Us Again Reply #25 - 05/13/19 at 09:04:44 T And T Garage wrote on 05/13/19 at 06:24:07: I posted the entire quote. Yea, you did. And it was STUPID then, and is still STUPID. Why are you giving him a pass ? Are you one of those in the numerous photos, where he was, fondling ?
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Reply #26 - 05/13/19 at 09:59:29

MnSpring wrote on 05/13/19 at 09:04:44:

T And T Garage wrote on 05/13/19 at 06:24:07:

I posted the entire quote.

Yea, you did.
And it was STUPID then,
and is still STUPID.

Why are you giving him a pass ?
Are you one of those in the numerous photos,
where he was, fondling ?

Well, mn - just read the entire context of the interview.

Not hard to see why this is yet another nothingburger. Well, not for most people, anyway.

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