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Reply #15 - 04/11/19 at 14:56:15
 
pg wrote on 04/11/19 at 14:50:32:
LostArtist wrote on 04/11/19 at 12:55:13:
pg wrote on 04/10/19 at 18:22:53:
LostArtist wrote on 04/10/19 at 09:46:55:
it's not communism you need to fear, it's authoritarianism...  but you'll never figure that out



If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism.

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I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.


Suit yourself.....

However their is a differene between authoritarianism and collectivism.

The enforcement authority at the expense of personal freedom as opposed to the practice of giving a group priority over each individual in it.

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The fact is pro golfer - your OP is sh!t.  It's a fear-mongering lie.

Quick cases in point - you show me any piece of legislation from a dem that would allow for the killing of a newborn.
Further, the whole "70% tax" is a lie.  That 70% would probably be paid by no one.  Just like in the 50's under Eisenhower, it's a marginal rate. (look that up, huh?)
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Reply #16 - 04/11/19 at 15:27:19
 
T And T Garage wrote on 04/11/19 at 14:56:15:
The fact is pro golfer - your OP is sh!t.  It's a fear-mongering lie.

Quick cases in point - you show me any piece of legislation from a dem that would allow for the killing of a newborn.
Further, the whole "70% tax" is a lie.  That 70% would probably be paid by no one.  Just like in the 50's under Eisenhower, it's a marginal rate. (look that up, huh?)


Dems believe everyone is entitled to an abortion with the sole exception of their parents.

Yes, I understand taxation.  I took several classes when I obtained an MBA.

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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #17 - 04/11/19 at 15:31:05
 
pg wrote on 04/11/19 at 15:27:19:
T And T Garage wrote on 04/11/19 at 14:56:15:
The fact is pro golfer - your OP is sh!t.  It's a fear-mongering lie.

Quick cases in point - you show me any piece of legislation from a dem that would allow for the killing of a newborn.
Further, the whole "70% tax" is a lie.  That 70% would probably be paid by no one.  Just like in the 50's under Eisenhower, it's a marginal rate. (look that up, huh?)


Dems believe everyone is entitled to an abortion with the sole exception of their parents.

We believe in a woman's right to choose.  Now, how about addressing the lie that was in your OP about born babies?

Yes, I understand taxation.  I took several classes when I obtained an MBA.

Wow, I'm so impressed that you have an MBA!  Gosh, no one has those!!   Roll Eyes

So then, why not address the lie from your OP about the 70% tax cliam?

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Reply #18 - 04/12/19 at 03:43:42
 
T And T Garage wrote on 04/11/19 at 15:31:05:


So then, why not address the lie from your OP




You have made not attempt to address the premise of this thread.

The only question is, what separates this “wish list” from the agenda of the Communist Party of America?

Anyone, please feel free to chime in as T&T is lost for words.  Here is a link about the CPUSA.

http://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/

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Reply #19 - 04/12/19 at 04:52:59
 
"The only question is, what separates this “wish list” from the agenda of the Communist Party of America?"

 The CPA agenda is real and the "wish list" is speculation at best.
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Reply #20 - 04/12/19 at 06:10:16
 
pg wrote on 04/12/19 at 03:43:42:
T And T Garage wrote on 04/11/19 at 15:31:05:


So then, why not address the lie from your OP




You have made not attempt to address the premise of this thread.

The only question is, what separates this “wish list” from the agenda of the Communist Party of America?

Your OP is garbage.  That is NOT the "wish list" for the democratic party.

That's the problem pro golfer.


Anyone, please feel free to chime in as T&T is lost for words.  Here is a link about the CPUSA.

http://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/

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Reply #21 - 04/12/19 at 13:52:20
 
T And T Garage wrote on 04/12/19 at 06:10:16:
Your OP is garbage.  That is NOT the "wish list" for the democratic party.



Are some of those on the justice democrat platform?  Would that be more appropriate?

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/

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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #22 - 04/12/19 at 14:17:39
 
pg wrote on 04/11/19 at 14:50:32:
LostArtist wrote on 04/11/19 at 12:55:13:
pg wrote on 04/10/19 at 18:22:53:
LostArtist wrote on 04/10/19 at 09:46:55:
it's not communism you need to fear, it's authoritarianism...  but you'll never figure that out



If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism.

Best regards,



I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.


Suit yourself.....

However their is a differene between authoritarianism and collectivism.

The enforcement authority at the expense of personal freedom as opposed to the practice of giving a group priority over each individual in it.

Best regards,



um...  that's the same thing.....    


giving a group priority over each individual in it = the expense of personal freedom

and

the practice =  enforcement authority


so try again....

and again, they do often overlap and it's highly unlikely that communism is doable without authoritarianism in reality, but their could, theoretically, be a democratic communist society


Communism is the equal distribution of the economic pie, regardless of any individual characteristics that would entitle one to more or less of the pie. (this might be a highly positive version of the definition, because it's trying to get at the root of it, not the tactics it takes to get there which are always awful)

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability and rule of law under an authoritarian regime. Authoritarianism has no goal of equal anything....   they (the government) are better than you and do not abide by any laws that don't suit their immediate wants.



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Reply #23 - 04/12/19 at 14:28:13
 
LostArtist wrote on 04/12/19 at 14:17:39:
I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.


Suit yourself.....



That didn't take long....

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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #24 - 04/12/19 at 14:32:25
 
pg wrote on 04/12/19 at 14:28:13:
LostArtist wrote on 04/12/19 at 14:17:39:
I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.


Suit yourself.....



That didn't take long....

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eh, I'm bored, and your pitiful attempts at being clever are at least a distraction, who's holding your beer btw?
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Reply #25 - 04/12/19 at 18:09:26
 
LostArtist wrote on 04/12/19 at 14:17:39:
pg wrote on 04/11/19 at 14:50:32:
LostArtist wrote on 04/11/19 at 12:55:13:
pg wrote on 04/10/19 at 18:22:53:
LostArtist wrote on 04/10/19 at 09:46:55:
it's not communism you need to fear, it's authoritarianism...  but you'll never figure that out



If you have noticed I often use the term collectivism.

Best regards,



I'm just going to ignore you from now on, you obviously have major reading comprehension problems.


Suit yourself.....

However their is a differene between authoritarianism and collectivism.

The enforcement authority at the expense of personal freedom as opposed to the practice of giving a group priority over each individual in it.

Best regards,



um...  that's the same thing.....    


so try again....


Communism is the equal distribution of the economic pie, regardless of any individual characteristics that would entitle one to more or less of the pie. (this might be a highly positive version of the definition, because it's trying to get at the root of it, not the tactics it takes to get there which are always awful)

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability and rule of law under an authoritarian regime. Authoritarianism has no goal of equal anything....   they (the government) are better than you and do not abide by any laws that don't suit their immediate wants.




Please understand in a single post you stated they are the same thing and you go on to illustrate distinctly different definitions......

And in the same thread you accuse me of having reading comprehension problems......

Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - 04/15/19 at 06:01:38
 
pg wrote on 04/12/19 at 13:52:20:
T And T Garage wrote on 04/12/19 at 06:10:16:
Your OP is garbage.  That is NOT the "wish list" for the democratic party.



Are some of those on the justice democrat platform?  Would that be more appropriate?

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/

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Why not read it for yourself?

What are your concerns with the Justice Democrats platform:

GREEN NEW DEAL

SECURE A LIVING WAGE AND TIE IT TO INFLATION

ENACT A FEDERAL JOBS GUARANTEE

REBUILD OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE

BLOCK BAD TRADE DEALS

END TAX DODGING AND LOOPHOLES

END UNNECESSARY WARS AND NATION BUILDING

MEDICARE FOR ALL

FREE PUBLIC COLLEGES AND TRADE SCHOOLS

DEFEND AND EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND MEDICAID

ENSURE PAID VACATION TIME, SICK TIME, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILDCARE

FIGHT FOR RACIAL JUSTICE

PROTECT WOMEN’S RIGHTS

COMBAT HOMELESSNESS

POLICE REFORM

ENACT COMMON-SENSE GUN REGULATION

VOTING RIGHTS

ABOLISH ICE

END CORRUPTION

REFORM OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM

IMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM

STOP SELLING ARMS TO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS

END THE FAILED WAR ON DRUGS

ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY

DEMOCRACY REFORM

OPPOSE BIGOTRY

DEFEND NET NEUTRALITY


What are you so afraid of pro golfer?
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Reply #27 - 04/15/19 at 08:11:56
 
It is not the governments responsibility to provide many of those offerings.  The country can't pay bills now without printing money.  The economy is better than it has been in some time; however, it isn't not nearly as strong as proponents portray it.  

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Reply #28 - 04/15/19 at 10:22:02
 
pg wrote on 04/15/19 at 08:11:56:
It is not the governments responsibility to provide many of those offerings.  

I'd say that it is.  We pay and get very little in return.

The country can't pay bills now without printing money.  The economy is better than it has been in some time; however, it isn't not nearly as strong as proponents portray it.  

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Well pro golfer, if we weren't buying $3000 hammers, hiring out civilian contractors for our military and giving massive tax breaks to the rich and corporations, we might just be able to provide these things for  Americans.
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Reply #29 - 04/15/19 at 13:59:06
 
Here is another thought.  What happened to anti-trust laws?  I guess there isn't much to break anymore, Amazon....


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