Serowbot wrote on 03/26/19 at 08:48:37:

 is just a haven for billionaires...

Isn’t that the Country of Belize?
Where their is NO extradition to the USA.

Where, reportedly, are 48 of the top 50,
billionaires...
of the former Enron Co ?.

MnSpring wrote on 03/26/19 at 09:41:42:




I've already been through this, you can still rank different things according to your personal preference.  

I prefer a drop down sun visor in my helmet over a ratcheting chin strap,

I prefer Apples more than oranges... both of which are the same thing, FRUIT so maybe try some other example next time...

I prefer yellow over a internet meme..

etc....  

and I already responded to your posted link, if you start a new thread I'll participate in it, as I didn't totally disagree with it and there are things worth discussing about it.

Serowbot wrote on 03/26/19 at 10:30:08:


Fine, expand it to the broader world. The world is a far, far better place than ever before. That's due to freedom and capitalism.

https://www.humanprogress.org/article.php?p=1779

WebsterMark wrote on 03/26/19 at 10:49:31:



nope, where have I pointed out any inequities, or poverty or unfairness? I've never used any of those words in any of my posts here until now....  even when I told my story of being a failure in capitalism, I never said it was unfair, or that I was in proverty or felt treated poorly, just that capitalism doesn't work for me, personally

you started out refusing to even accept the premise, but there was no premise, just a ranking option....  then you all but attacked someone as being a "closet liberal" all this negativity.....   and you blame me for being pessimistic?  Then you all re-defined the premise...  and yeah I got lost in that and helped...  

I asked to rank democracy and capitalism, a conservative reworded that to Profitability and equality....

conservatives brought the negativity into this conversation

anyway.....

just pointing out that the differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives mainly care about the economy...  

"dignity and fundamental rights of the individual, to achieve social justice, foster the .... social development of the community, strengthen the cohesion of society and enhance national tranquillity, as well as to create a climate that is favourable for international peace."  

those are at best a side effect to a conservative, they aren't even really concerned with making those the actual goals of the government. conservatives see everything through an economic lens


here's the reality, as backed up by this thread

conservatives = $$$$$$

if you see a negative value associated with that, then that's YOU, as Eegore might say,  so maybe look into yourself to see why you might be doing that...

conservatives see a positive association with a profit motive, that being selfish and greedy is good, or it at least leads to the greater good via a convoluted system of trickle down and all ships rising....  where some of us, well, why can't we just do the greater good directly? Not saying to dismiss capitalism, but, maybe make it priority 2, or 3 maybe....  

idk, just some thoughts

Eegore wrote on 03/26/19 at 13:13:28:


well, I guess you could take it that way.... I was thinking more on a systematic/national level, not an individual level, like a system that emphasizes equality more and profitability less, but individual levels would be determined by each person's/company's individual circumstances

and remember, that was me trying to rephrase your rephrasing of my original question and we both missed what I was trying to say originally...  yeah, most of that's on me, I got all caught up in the conversation...

 I guess I don't see enough similarities between Capitalism and Democracy to say I would prefer one over the other since in my situation they are both present and as far as I know more inclusive government programs require more money.

 If the basic idea is I can state I want more Equality, and also not lose money through taxation, reduced economic growth, or infrastructure funding reductions then it would be ridiculous to say Capitalism comes first, simply because my local economy wouldn't be effected.  

 When you say "emphasizes equality more and profitability less"

 What is "more Equality"?  As far as I know we already have 1 vote for every legally registered person.

WebsterMark wrote on 03/26/19 at 14:07:38:


maybe...

for you and your personal life, sure, make whatever choices you want...

but for government or for others....   money is your concern.  

tax cuts and deregulation = more money

if morals were your main concern, you wouldn't have voted for Trump... or Clinton, you probably wouldn't be very political at all