MnSpring wrote on 03/25/19 at 17:46:43:



okay, that's actually pretty good, however, not really what this thread is about.  

But I don't totally disagree with that video



so, here, let me try this one more time, this might be a bit of a change up from before, but more to my original intent,

I'll use an example

I like Motorcycle helmets with an inner shaded drop down visor, modular capability, ratcheting chin strap (not DD ring), and white or yellow in color.  

so, which of those features is most important to least important to me
1. drop down visor
2. ratcheting chin strap
3.  modular
4. color


so I ask

which it more important
Democracy  
or
Capitalism

you all know what those words mean, so let's not go through the fiasco of defining them

it's not and exclusionary ranking, so it's not one without the other


so perhaps a way to look at it is.  do you want the government to focus on giving more of it's power to the people, or to focus on increasing the ease of making profits for companies/ people, whoever,

again, the government can also be working on expanding the rights of the people to have a say, and in the other side they can also be working on smaller steps to increase profits.  

we already know Eegore and Web want capitalism and profits to be #! priority, anyone else?

so if I accuse you of putting the profit motive over doing the right thing....  now you know why

No. You can't go around putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say profit over doing the right thing. You said that.

This is like the video's technique of assuming and speaking from a position of 'rightness' down to a position of 'wrongness'. I don't accept that premise.

You're take is a very simplistic one; profit is bad, democracy is good. I still say they are not directly comparable. Capitalism is not a form of governance. It is an economic system  which is purposely selected by a given government. I say democracies tend to select (or rather they evolve into) capitalism and capitalistic societies tend to 'select' democracies.

So we could say; socialism is the natural evolutionary step from a successful democracy which embraced capitalism.

It's a little like population control. The reason why the Population Bomb and all the other fears about too many people never occur.

As societies become more prosperous, they naturally regulate children. And since the world as a whole has become far more prosperous over the past generations, the global population regulated itself. That's why there was no population bomb.

Likewise, as a democratic society becomes more prosperous (through capitalism in all its forms including watered down ones) the hard lessons learned about freedom become more and more faint. So the idea of controlling speech for example becomes more palatable than in generations past.

National prosperity is a prerequisite for "to preserve and promote the dignity and fundamental rights of the individual, to achieve social justice, foster the economic and social development of the community, strengthen the cohesion of society and enhance national tranquillity, as well as to create a climate that is favourable for international peace.

Capitalism provides for prosperity for individuals and therefore revenues for government to accomplish those ideals above.

WebsterMark wrote on 03/26/19 at 08:15:29:



okay, that's a good answer....  and I'm for capitalism  preserving and promoting the dignity and fundamental rights of the individual, to achieve social justice.... but do you see that happening? Isn't it your side that flips out when the left boycotts a company when they don't see them doing that?


so basically, what's our core common value... is it profit for profit sake alone and that'll cure everything or is it this greater ideal of democracy, which while includes capitalism, but in a support roll instead of the star actor?

isn't capitalism stronger, more competitive if more people are allowed/able to participate at all different levels of it? Shouldn't that be encouraged and promoted?


I'd consider the USA the most prosperous nation in the world right? should government interference in our capitalistic marketplace be encouraged?

just as a side idea, wonder what it'd be like if we, as a nation, agreed to just leave taxes alone regardless of anything else, these are your rates, these are your legal deductions, PERIOD  for let's say 25 years minimum

LostArtist wrote on 03/25/19 at 19:10:44:

okay, that's actually pretty good, however, not really what this thread is about.  But I don't totally disagree with that video

You first asked: which is more important?
Democracy or  Capitalism  

Those are two different things.
Democracy is a Political system, with some economic features.
Capitalism, is a Economic system, with some political features.

It would be like asking the question,
of fruit lovers;
“which is more important?, a Apple or a Orange”

Thus I posted a link, which I thought was very good,
about someone else’s description of,
government/political entries.
(which one of the, 'ether/or', things is not a political system)

So go ahead tt, and SLAM away,
just because my POV is not the same as yours !
(I am totally prepared to be called a Nazi by tt,
and told this post looks like a ransom note.
Or perhaps that I am a,  moron,
maybe even a, naive little boy)