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Re: Are we all Nationalists now???
Reply #15 - 10/24/18 at 06:14:47
 
MnSpring wrote on 10/23/18 at 17:24:11:
T And T Garage wrote on 10/23/18 at 15:02:24:
How much time did trump waste on the birther fiasco?  

Didn't weigh in on that, because I did not go to Hawaii to look at others, from the same hospital, to make a determination.
I DO Know,  I needed a, 'official', one 3 years ago for a 'enhanced DL'. So went to the Court House, asked for mine. Proved who I was, paid them, and 5 minuets later walked out with it.
It did not take 2 years to get.
AND, it said the SAME things,
(Not different versions)
as the, 'Thermo Fax', (crinkly/faded) copy I have.

"...When the shoe fits...."

WOW, Just WOW !
Criticizing Obama Policies,
was called, "Your A Racist".
ALL THE TIME.

And BEFORE he was elected.
Just campaigning, for someone else,
"Your A Racist".

Always wondered why,
when I campaigned against EVERY,
UL Democrat, in Fed, State, Local races.
I was, ONLY, called:"Your A Racist".
When I campaigned against Obama.

But I see, the he/she called tt,
has the definitive answer.
"...When the shoe fits...."


It's quite entertaining that you constantly use "your" in the wrong context all the time (as well as "their").  Further, you butcher grammar at every opportunity.

So, tell me mn - do you do this on purpose? Are you trying to be "funny", or do you just not know?

As to your post - I honestly don't know what the hell you're trying to say here....
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Re: Are we all Nationalists now???
Reply #16 - 10/24/18 at 06:33:25
 
T And T Garage wrote on 10/24/18 at 06:08:19:
WebsterMark wrote on 10/23/18 at 19:39:51:
T And T Garage wrote on 10/23/18 at 17:00:15:
Let's get this straight - are you conservatives OK with trump calling himself a nationalist?  Do you consider yourself a nationalist?

Simple questions, simple answers.


In the sense Trump means it, yes. And you do too.
All of us do.


No, no I don't.

BTW, how the hell are we to know "in the sense that trump means it"?

Didn't we just have this conversation about when to take him serious??

There is only one definition of nationalism, and it's not what this country is all about.  Period.

Now, if you want to defend him in that he doesn't really know what nationalism means, then fine.  If that's the case, the he simply has no clue of what he's saying or doing.  He's dumber than a bag of hammers.


Well if you listened to what he said instead of just thinking what MSNBC tells you to, you'd know he explained that quite well. And you are a nationalist under that definition, just like I am. Did you listen to the whole quote or not? Simple question, simple answer.
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Re: Are we all Nationalists now???
Reply #17 - 10/24/18 at 07:47:52
 
There is only one definition of nationalism, and it's not what this country is all about.  Period

Why is nationalism wrong?
How can it possibly be wrong to want the best for your country? To see it as The One?
If we aren't so great, why do people try to get here?

What ARE we about?
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Reply #18 - 10/24/18 at 08:12:22
 
Jog; TT assigns racism to the word nationalism. And to be fair, much in the way we assign socialism to the word liberal.

How fair it is to associate those definitions with those words depends upon your view of the political world.
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Reply #19 - 10/24/18 at 08:28:55
 
T And T Garage wrote on 10/24/18 at 06:14:47:
It's quite entertaining that you constantly use "your" in the wrong context all the time (as well as "their").  Further, you butcher grammar at every opportunity.  

That’s great that you are a expert in ‘word crafting’. Is it part of your job, asking for, ‘gimmie’,  money as in writing for Grants/Donations ?
So your words are very precise and craftily constructed, at times with double negatives, to,’influence’ people to your POV ?
If so, then it perhaps it bothers you greatly, when someone misspells a word, (although, in some of your posts, you do it often),

If you are just criticizing, for the sake of criticizing, because you have NOTHING else to do/say.
Get Over It, It’s ain’t a book.

So, tell me mn - do you do this on purpose? Are you trying to be “funny", or do you just not know?
WOW, really bugs you, doesn’t it ?  

As to your post - I honestly don’t know what the hell you're trying to say here....
Don’t you understand, ‘Context’, as related to the subject at hand ?
Na, didn’t think so.
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Re: Are we all Nationalists now???
Reply #20 - 10/24/18 at 08:37:18
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/24/18 at 06:33:25:
Well if you listened to what he said instead of just thinking what MSNBC tells you to, you'd know he explained that quite well. And you are a nationalist under that definition, just like I am. Did you listen to the whole quote or not? Simple question, simple answer.


I did listen to what he said.  So there can only be 2 options here mark.

Either he's a nationalist by the definition of the word or he has no idea the meaning or implication of the word.  Remember, this guy is our president...

Whichever way you look at it, he's either a massive idiot or an a$$hole nationalist of major proportion.

I hate being right....
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Re: Are we all Nationalists now???
Reply #21 - 10/24/18 at 08:45:34
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/24/18 at 07:47:52:
There is only one definition of nationalism, and it's not what this country is all about.  Period

Why is nationalism wrong? - If you don't know why it's wrong for America, then you're truly lost.
How can it possibly be wrong to want the best for your country? To see it as The One? - By "doing what's best for the country" is exactly why nationalism is wrong - again, how can you miss that??
If we aren't so great, why do people try to get here?  We are great - we have been for forever.  

What ARE we about?


This is a nation built of/on/with immigrants.  Our Forefathers intended us to be a beacon onto the world.  The American dream is for everyone.

Isolationism is the path to nowhere.  
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Reply #22 - 10/24/18 at 08:47:43
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/24/18 at 08:12:22:
Jog; TT assigns racism to the word nationalism. And to be fair, much in the way we assign socialism to the word liberal.

Not at all.  Where have I ever said that??  There's a reason I posted the definition mark.

Why do you constantly feel the need to put words in my mouth?


How fair it is to associate those definitions with those words depends upon your view of the political world.


I do agree that the way the word "liberal" is used by you and your cohorts, that it's basically a cuss word to you all.
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Reply #23 - 10/24/18 at 08:58:32
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/24/18 at 08:12:22:
Jog; TT assigns racism to the word nationalism. And to be fair, much in the way we assign socialism to the word liberal. How fair it is to associate those definitions with those words depends upon your view of the political world.

I believe.
Their are degrees of, ‘Nationalism’.  Just as their are degrees of, “Racism”.
Just as their are degrees of, ‘socialism./liberalism’.

When a Conservative says, ‘liberal socialist’.
Their is a base for that,
and it comes from the, ‘liberal socialists OWN writing and speaking’

When a Liberal says, ‘racist  nationalist’.
Their is NO  basis for that.
It is only a liberal socialist, playing a race card.


As in post #-2,  “…When being a patriot protesting Obama labeled you racist, ….”
I would ask tt again, why in over 40 years of campaigning, AGAINST, stupid Ideas, which included people with Black skin, Yellow skin and Red skin.
Was I called, ‘Your  racist’, ONLY, when I campaigned against  Obama.

(Hay tt does i gotts do 'splain it to ya ?)


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Re: Are we all Nationalists now???
Reply #24 - 10/24/18 at 09:02:00
 
Yeah, America, built on immigration.
It was a vast expanse, needing settled. Immigrants were screened for disease.
Not possible without control.

They came to America to be free to live and work to have a better life.
No welfare, homeless shelters, food stamps,,

Once the NEED for people to settle a frontier is satisfied, more people start driving the value of labor down. I'm not typing out more, because regardless of the obvious TRUTH, you will not be changed.
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Reply #25 - 10/24/18 at 09:05:54
 
MnSpring wrote on 10/24/18 at 08:28:55:
T And T Garage wrote on 10/24/18 at 06:14:47:
It's quite entertaining that you constantly use "your" in the wrong context all the time (as well as "their").  Further, you butcher grammar at every opportunity.  

That’s great that you are a expert in ‘word crafting’. Is it part of your job, asking for, ‘gimmie’,  money as in writing for Grants/Donations ?
So your words are very precise and craftily constructed, at times with double negatives, to,’influence’ people to your POV ?
If so, then it perhaps it bothers you greatly, when someone misspells a word, (although, in some of your posts, you do it often),

If you are just criticizing, for the sake of criticizing, because you have NOTHING else to do/say.
Get Over It, It’s ain’t a book.

LMAO - that's a good one mn...

So, tell me mn - do you do this on purpose? Are you trying to be “funny", or do you just not know?
WOW, really bugs you, doesn’t it ?  

Yeah, a little.  You see, I'd like to try and have an honest exchange with someone, but you constantly negate that process.  I don't know what your aim is.  If I were one of the conservatives on here, I wouldn't be too happy with your posts.  

But it kind of amuses me that you seem to have a mastery of the fonts, the colors, the emojis - yet you can't see/ignore all the spelling and grammatical errors of your posts.

You see, who you present yourself as is what many people see as the "typical conservative/republican".

FYI, that's not a good thing that you're doing.  You're not helping your cause.  No one here can ever really take you serious.


As to your post - I honestly don’t know what the hell you're trying to say here....
Don’t you understand, ‘Context’, as related to the subject at hand ?
Na, didn’t think so.

No, I don't understand the context because there really wasn't any.  You insinuate that you "campaigned" against Obama and were called a racist.  OK, fine.  

But, in your own, poorly constructed way, you said:

Criticizing Obama Policies,
was called, "Your A Racist".
ALL THE TIME.

And BEFORE he was elected.
Just campaigning, for someone else,
"Your A Racist".


That's simply not true.  All you need to do is look at the mccain campaign.

But the way you structure your points is nearly impossible to follow - this is why I really don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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Reply #26 - 10/24/18 at 09:07:30
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/24/18 at 09:02:00:
Yeah, America, built on immigration.
It was a vast expanse, needing settled. Immigrants were screened for disease.
Not possible without control.

They came to America to be free to live and work to have a better life.
No welfare, homeless shelters, food stamps,,

Once the NEED for people to settle a frontier is satisfied, more people start driving the value of labor down. I'm not typing out more, because regardless of the obvious TRUTH, you will not be changed.


No need to post again jog - I see exactly what kind of person you are.

Thanks.

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Reply #27 - 10/24/18 at 09:51:13
 
America would benefit from people like you understanding the value of people like me. Your ideas create poverty for the people who are here. Your ideas make America less attractive To immigrants. Your ideas would create what they are trying to get away from.
Lifeboats only carry so many people.
Then they sink.
Yes, I'm a logical, rational, Realist.
Your big heart?
Pay for it outta Your big bank account.
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Reply #28 - 10/24/18 at 10:06:55
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/24/18 at 09:51:13:
America would benefit from people like you understanding the value of people like me. Your ideas create poverty for the people who are here. Your ideas make America less attractive To immigrants. Your ideas would create what they are trying to get away from.
Lifeboats only carry so many people.
Then they sink.
Yes, I'm a logical, rational, Realist.
Your big heart?
Pay for it outta Your big bank account.


What happened to "I'm not typing out more, because regardless of the obvious TRUTH, you will not be changed."?   Whatever... Cheesy

Your thinking is way out of whack with true American values jog.

Us "terrible liberals" are exactly why this country is so great.  Giving opportunity to those that might not have it elsewhere.

But in the last couple of decades, we've lost track of that.  We cater to big money at all costs.  I'm not talking about capitalism, I'm talking about oligarchy.  

Since ronnie tried his "trickle", we've gone downhill.  The rich get richer and the middle class has become stangnet.  Productivity is way up since then, but wages have been flat.  Why is that?  It sure as hell isn't the liberals.  It's the conservatives that allow the rich and corporations to run unchecked.  

Nationalism enforces that mindset.

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Reply #29 - 10/24/18 at 11:05:10
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/24/18 at 09:51:13:
America would benefit from people like you understanding the value of people like me. Your ideas create poverty for the people who are here. Your ideas make America less attractive To immigrants. Your ideas would create what they are trying to get away from.
Lifeboats only carry so many people.
Then they sink.


how is the biggest economy in the world a lifeboat?????

We're the mother ship.





Yes, I'm a logical, rational, Realist.

um.....  I'd debate that, you just think you're hiding your emotions, but, yeah, they rule you like a lil female dog, you just can't admit it to take control of them...

Your big heart?
Pay for it outta Your big bank account.


okay, let's do that, we have a huge bank account, corporate profits are the highest they've ever been and keep climbing year after year no matter who's in charge... we just gave them 1.5 TRILLION dollars..., that would have taken care of a lot of people.
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