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Proving your point......
10/05/18 at 09:06:54

I'm guessing here, however, at my ripe old age of 65, I think I can safely make the assumption if you have to resort to such, instead of presenting your POV and beliefs coherently, and in a manner that wins over converts, then......
Then you really have deeper seated issues, that are being marketed under another issue, looking for affirmation, belonging, camaraderie, acceptance, and its just a avenue you believe to attain it.
I dare say, its not.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hairstylist-seen-in-video-kicking-pro-life-demo...

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Reply #1 - 10/05/18 at 09:53:46

It works both ways. Near me 3 people were killed at an abortion clinic by a pro-life extremist.

https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/issue/anti-abortion-violence/

Coverage seems to lean more towards pro-choice victims from what I have seen. I think a part of that is because pro-choice indicates more personal freedom where pro-life indicates less personal freedom.

Violence is wrong both ways, I don't much care who the victim is, or if it ever ends up in the news.

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Reply #2 - 10/05/18 at 12:03:43

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pro-choice indicates more personal freedom where pro-life indicates less personal freedom.

the prohibition against murder indicates less personal freedom also; it restricts the personal freedom to just up and kill someone on account of you don't like them. Probably ought to get rid of that one too , huh?

There may be legitimate arguments on both sides of the abortion debate but "personal freedom" isn't one of them. It's just a red herring tossed out there to avoid talking about what the debate is really about.

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Reply #3 - 10/05/18 at 12:19:08

oldNslow wrote on 10/05/18 at 12:03:43:

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pro-choice indicates more personal freedom where pro-life indicates less personal freedom.

the prohibition against murder indicates less personal freedom also; it restricts the personal freedom to just up and kill someone on account of you don't like them. Probably ought to get rid of that one too , huh?

There may be legitimate arguments on both sides of the abortion debate but "personal freedom" isn't one of them. It's just a red herring tossed out there to avoid talking about what the debate is really about.

If choosing what you do with your own body isn't a personal freedom, then what is?

You are not a woman I take it?

What gives anyone the right to tell someone else what to do with their own body?

If Roe V. Wade was overturned and it was determined that life begins at conception, do we arrest moms who smoke and drink (without knowing for sometimes up to two months after conception) for child endangerment??

Slippery slope ahead....

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9011 Minn Gender:	Re: Proving your point...... Reply #4 - 10/05/18 at 12:52:08 T And T Garage wrote on 10/05/18 at 12:19:08: You are not a woman I take it? Is that a he or a she saying that ? What gives anyone the right to tell someone else what to do with their own body? WOW, ya mean I can sell a Kidney !!!!!! Got two, only need one. Bless your Heart tt
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Proving your point...... Reply #5 - 10/05/18 at 12:56:20 Gawd don't you just love the argument that because you are NOT a woman you are disqualified from any input on the matter.... And you are told this by another MAN ( er, I think ) Oh, oh, since I ain't black, I can't tell you its wrong to have a slave, er, gotcha
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Reply #6 - 10/05/18 at 12:56:34

MnSpring wrote on 10/05/18 at 12:52:08:

T And T Garage wrote on 10/05/18 at 12:19:08:

You are not a woman I take it?

Is that a he or a she saying that ?

I'm a male. A he, mn. Does that answer your question?

What gives anyone the right to tell someone else what to do with their own body?

WOW, ya mean I can sell a Kidney !!!!!!
Got two, only need one.

Yes, actually you can if you want to. Did you not know that? You can cut off your hand and sell it if anyone would buy it.

Bless your Heart tt

Thanks mn - I see that you lack originality and are reverting to my salutation (lots of big words there mn, you better look them up).

Good for you. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!
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Reply #7 - 10/05/18 at 12:58:48

raydawg wrote on 10/05/18 at 12:56:20:

Gawd don't you just love the argument that because you are NOT a woman you are disqualified from any input on the matter....
And you are told this by another MAN ( er, I think ) Grin

Hey ray, try to pay attention.. My exact quote was - What gives anyone the right to tell someone else what to do with their own body?

I didn't specify men only on purpose. You may want to brush up on your comprehension skills and slow down a bit.

Oh, oh, since I ain't black, I can't tell you its wrong to have a slave, er, gotcha Grin

You keep stinking it up... you go ray!!

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Proving your point...... Reply #8 - 10/05/18 at 13:10:41 OMG....... a personal insult. resist
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Proving your point...... Reply #9 - 10/05/18 at 13:14:07 raydawg wrote on 10/05/18 at 13:10:41: OMG....... a personal insult. resist Well ray, I must call them like I see them.
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9011 Minn Gender:	Re: Proving your point...... Reply #10 - 10/05/18 at 13:50:30 T And T Garage wrote on 10/05/18 at 12:56:34: Yes, actually you can if you want to. Did you not know that? Yep tt, you can take that gun you say you have, out of your safe, load it, open your door, and shoot the next person you see. What, you did NOT know that ! Absolutely Incredible SPIN, on your answer.
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If ... it was determined that life begins at conception..

So, apparently you do understand what the fundamental question is, and that it really has nothing to do with "personal freedom" ?

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You are not a woman I take it?

I was born a male, and have lived my life as one, but as I understand things now, I don't necessarily have to be one right now, or tomorrow, or some other time that I'd rather be a woman,or something else even. Perhaps a tree? Or a chipmunk. And don't you dare tell me I'm not whatever I say I am. "Personal freedom" dontcha know?

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Reply #12 - 10/05/18 at 14:31:22

MnSpring wrote on 10/05/18 at 13:50:30:

T And T Garage wrote on 10/05/18 at 12:56:34:

Yes, actually you can if you want to. Did you not know that?

Yep tt, you can take that gun you say you have, out of your safe, load it, open your door, and shoot the next person you see.
What, you did NOT know that !

No mn, you can't. One is self mutilation, the other is murder. Surely you can't be that foolish to confuse the two, can you?

Absolutely Incredible SPIN, on your answer.

You asked a silly question, I gave you an actual answer. What you do with information is your own. But if you're going to sell your own kidney, I suggest you get a friend to cut it out of you - they would have a better viewing angle than you could on your own.
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Reply #13 - 10/05/18 at 14:38:41

oldNslow wrote on 10/05/18 at 13:57:00:

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If ... it was determined that life begins at conception..

So, apparently you do understand what the fundamental question is, and that it really has nothing to do with "personal freedom" ?

Actually old, it has everything to do with personal freedom. It is not anyone's body except the woman's.

What if "the powers that be" came out and said that sperm represented life and that "discharging" outside of intercourse was illegal and "ended potential life"? Millions of boys and their socks would be arrested!! Cheesy

Silly proposition I know, but no more silly than trying to equate conception with life.

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You are not a woman I take it?

I was born a male, and have lived my life as one, but as I understand things now, I don't necessarily have to be one right now, or tomorrow, or some other time that I'd rather be a woman,or something else even. Perhaps a tree? Or a chipmunk. And don't you dare tell me I'm not whatever I say I am. "Personal freedom" dontcha know?

Yeah, use an extreme example to belittle those who are different than you...

I don't know about you, but I never had a choice in my sexuality. Therefore, I assume that nobody else did either.

I simply don't care how someone identifies themselves. It doesn't change who I am. I don't feel threatened enough to make fun of them.

Give it a rest. Live and let live.

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Matchless G11 Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 451 Newfoundland NJ	Re: Proving your point...... Reply #14 - 10/05/18 at 14:57:49 Give it a rest. Live and let live.[/color] [/quote] "Does that go for the unborn too?"
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