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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Venezuela 08/13/18 at 19:34:37 Why are socialists not learning from this train wreck?
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Venezuela Reply #1 - 08/13/18 at 21:28:25 Well, it's a good thing that democratic socialists here in the US don't support pure socialism then.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Venezuela Reply #2 - 08/13/18 at 22:08:39 I don't think I know what Democratic Socialism is. Sounds like Vote for a program that redistribute wealth.
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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8054	Re: Venezuela Reply #3 - 08/14/18 at 05:43:31 Venezuela and the US are not close to being direct comparisons. Its like asking why we haven't learned from Australia that gun crimes and suicides go down when you strip the public of guns.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Venezuela Reply #4 - 08/14/18 at 11:00:42 Try a different analogy. This isn't about guns, rights to self defense or resisting a tyrannical government. What IS democratic socialism? Why will it not destroy the economy?
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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8054	Re: Venezuela Reply #5 - 08/14/18 at 12:41:23 "This isn't about guns, rights to self defense or resisting a tyrannical government." No, its about using Venezuela as an example of why socialism doesn't work in the US. Just like other foreign policy doesn't work in the US. People that are pro-socialism in the US don't use Venezuela as an example precisely because its in Venezuela.
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MShipley Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 681	Re: Venezuela Reply #6 - 08/14/18 at 13:07:58 I have not seen a place where it works, period.
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Reply #7 - 08/14/18 at 14:27:52

If you consider socialism the way it's found in Cuba or North Korea, I think you are correct. If you think of socialism in the European sense, which is heavily influenced by the market, I'm not inclined to agree.

If someone wants to dive heavily into the Nordic model, they can have a treat here:
http://bora.uib.no/bitstream/handle/1956/7677/114744336.pdf;sequence=1

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Venezuela Reply #8 - 08/14/18 at 16:39:43 Enough running around and dodging. If you don't know how to defend and explain WHAT Democratic Socialism Is, Then STFU about it. Or Explain why it's gonna work.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Venezuela Reply #9 - 08/14/18 at 16:40:42 At least explain how it differs from Real socialism
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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8054	Re: Venezuela Reply #10 - 08/14/18 at 17:16:56 I don't really know, T and T Garage, being the only person who's mentioned it, would be the best person to explain. I was responding to your original post prior to Democratic Socialism being mentioned. I don't believe any pro-socialist in the US is using Venezuela as a working model, democratic or otherwise.
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Venezuela Reply #11 - 08/14/18 at 17:40:28 Yeah, I think lumping it together with failed states won’t solve anything, or invite discussion. Let’s start at the basic... We have k-12 education, which we can say is socialism. You have childless folk paying into it, with no direct benefit. Can we agree on that?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Venezuela Reply #12 - 08/14/18 at 19:04:26 Yeah, TT goes quiet.. Amazing..
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Venezuela Reply #13 - 08/14/18 at 20:38:16 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/13/18 at 22:08:39: I don't think I know what Democratic Socialism is. Sounds like Vote for a program that redistribute wealth. Then you should find out what it is.
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Venezuela Reply #14 - 08/14/18 at 20:39:52 MShipley wrote on 08/14/18 at 13:07:58: I have not seen a place where it works, period. Pure socialism? No, not very successful. Democratic socialism? Well, it's been working pretty well here.
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