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Reply #15 - 08/12/18 at 23:32:03

You're a joke.

Clinton created the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to close the largest anthracite coal field in the nation along the Kaiparowitz Plateau in Kane County, Utah. The Kentucky-based Andalux Resources coal company held leases on the 3,400 acre coal field which contains about 7 billion tons of low sulfur anthracite coal worth $1.5 trillion in 1996 dollars. When Clinton nationalized 1/7th of Utah, he killed 1,000 jobs and about $50 million in payroll dollars per year going into Kane County. Working class Utahans lost their livelihood, but Clinton paid his expected quid pro quo to a foreigner who could not legally donate money to Clinton’s political campaign.“

This was no gift to the environmentalists. Low sulfer, anthracite coal is the cleanest burning coal their is on the planet. Coal is responsible for 33% of U.S energy production. It also known as the major source of pollution in the United States. Anthracite coal is only .2% of all US Coal production.

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Reply #16 - 08/13/18 at 01:05:04

I will have to say that jog2 is correct here; while there is no such thing as clean coal, or clean burning coal, the anthracite coal is having a significantly less negative impact on the environment than the "dirtier" coal. Hence, as long as you are determined to burn coal, anthracite is definitely preferable. Compared to clean, natural gas, not so much.

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Reply #17 - 08/13/18 at 04:42:24

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/12/18 at 23:22:38:

You don't remember that I was talking about this before Trump was a topic?
You're so unable to admit being wrong it's hilarious.
I don't care what you think. I know what you are.
You can read the article or not.
Keep pretending you're the one who is correct. It's your delusion and costs me nothing.

Everyone can see what you're doing jog.

I'm not the one who's pretending. I'm merely posting the truth.

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Reply #18 - 08/13/18 at 04:55:43

faffi wrote on 08/13/18 at 01:05:04:

I will have to say that jog2 is correct here; while there is no such thing as clean coal, or clean burning coal, the anthracite coal is having a significantly less negative impact on the environment than the "dirtier" coal. Hence, as long as you are determined to burn coal, anthracite is definitely preferable. Compared to clean, natural gas, not so much.

Faffi - as you just said, there is no such thing as clean coal. This is my point. Higher carbon content just means more CO2 emissions - so in some respects, anthracite is "dirtier".

Yes, it might burn more efficiently, but it's not clean.

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Reply #19 - 08/13/18 at 04:59:39

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/12/18 at 23:32:03:

You're a joke.

Very nice jog, keep those personal insults coming.

Clinton created the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to close the largest anthracite coal field in the nation along the Kaiparowitz Plateau in Kane County, Utah. The Kentucky-based Andalux Resources coal company held leases on the 3,400 acre coal field which contains about 7 billion tons of low sulfur anthracite coal worth $1.5 trillion in 1996 dollars. When Clinton nationalized 1/7th of Utah, he killed 1,000 jobs and about $50 million in payroll dollars per year going into Kane County. Working class Utahans lost their livelihood, but Clinton paid his expected quid pro quo to a foreigner who could not legally donate money to Clinton’s political campaign.“

This was no gift to the environmentalists. Low sulfer, anthracite coal is the cleanest burning coal their is on the planet. Coal is responsible for 33% of U.S energy production. It also known as the major source of pollution in the United States. Anthracite coal is only .2% of all US Coal production.

Anthracite has the highest CO2 emissions - its not "clean". Coal is coal is coal.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Never mind....... Reply #20 - 08/13/18 at 06:10:48 Wrong.. Read it. Co2 isn't toxic. And of COURSE it has more co2. It's higher CARBON CONTENT is the very thing that makes it Cleaner BURNING. Try to be able to be wrong without a days long battle.
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Reply #21 - 08/13/18 at 06:17:45

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/13/18 at 06:10:48:

Wrong..
Read it.
Co2 isn't toxic. And of COURSE it has more co2. It's higher CARBON CONTENT is the very thing that makes it
Cleaner BURNING.
Try to be able to be wrong without a days long battle.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Please feel free to continue the personal insults - it doesn't help your case.

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Reply #22 - 08/13/18 at 07:28:13

T And T Garage wrote on 08/12/18 at 11:41:40:

I hate to break your bubble, but there is no such thing as mining "clean coal".

So their is no such thing, as 'clean' coal ?

Then their must not be any, 'clean' gas.
Or, 'clean' Diesel fuel.
Or, 'clean' garbage, (Which for the, 'special people', I have heard several times, recycling, produces, 'clean', garbage)
etc/etc/etc/etc/etc/etc

Perhaps, their is not any, 'clean' air ?

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Reply #23 - 08/13/18 at 08:46:55

MnSpring wrote on 08/13/18 at 07:28:13:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/12/18 at 11:41:40:

I hate to break your bubble, but there is no such thing as mining "clean coal".

So their is no such thing, as 'clean' coal ?

No, there is not.

Then their must not be any, 'clean' gas.
No, there is not.
Or, 'clean' Diesel fuel.
Or, 'clean' garbage, (Which for the, 'special people', I have heard several times, recycling, produces, 'clean', garbage)
etc/etc/etc/etc/etc/etc

Perhaps, their is not any, 'clean' air ?
No, there is clean air.

Anything that burns is dirty.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Never mind....... Reply #24 - 08/13/18 at 12:09:56 And some coal is dirtier than others. Read the original post. Cleanest coal available, And it's MASSIVELY cleaner than the most easily and cheapest coal THAT WE ARE USING RIGHT NOW. And Clinton made it off limits. Pure genius.
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Reply #25 - 08/13/18 at 15:36:49

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/18 at 08:46:55:

Anything that burns is dirty.

Well then,
Electric produced by Photovoltaic, is NOT Clean.
Electric produced by Hydropower, is NOT Clean.
Electric, produced by wind/tide/waves, is NOT Clean.

Because to, make, every one of those things above,
you have to use a, ‘UN-Clean’, something (or several un-clean things), to do so.
To keep any of the above functioning, you have to have, Un-Clean, things to keep them so.

So What happens now ?
Should we accept something that is, ‘cleaner’, than before ?
Or just say: “…Anything that burns is dirty…”

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Reply #26 - 08/13/18 at 17:03:26

MnSpring wrote on 08/13/18 at 15:36:49:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/18 at 08:46:55:

Anything that burns is dirty.

Well then,
Electric produced by Photovoltaic, is NOT Clean.
Electric produced by Hydropower, is NOT Clean.
Electric, produced by wind/tide/waves, is NOT Clean.

Because to, make, every one of those things above,
you have to use a, ‘UN-Clean’, something (or several un-clean things), to do so.
To keep any of the above functioning, you have to have, Un-Clean, things to keep them so.

So What happens now ?
Should we accept something that is, ‘cleaner’, than before ?
Or just say: “…Anything that burns is dirty…”

Grin

A bong dude.....?????

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Never mind....... Reply #27 - 08/13/18 at 17:42:08 Nuclear creates crap that remains deadly for how long? How's fukushima doing? Condemning the best coal in America, while mining low quality, high sulfur coal, is not exactly a brilliant position, IMO.
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Reply #28 - 08/13/18 at 21:22:29

MnSpring wrote on 08/13/18 at 15:36:49:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/18 at 08:46:55:

Anything that burns is dirty.

Well then,
Electric produced by Photovoltaic, is NOT Clean.
Electric produced by Hydropower, is NOT Clean.
Electric, produced by wind/tide/waves, is NOT Clean.

Because to, make, every one of those things above,
you have to use a, ‘UN-Clean’, something (or several un-clean things), to do so.

LOL - seriously mn? That is a silly argument. All the energy produced from these sources is clean. No emissions.

Fine, perhaps the building of the structures, etc. are not "clean", but then, neither are the massive scrubbers for coal.

Nice try, but no.

To keep any of the above functioning, you have to have, Un-Clean, things to keep them so.

What do you mean? You think it's just as dirty as maintaining a coal fired plant? Do you really?

So What happens now ?
Should we accept something that is, ‘cleaner’, than before ?
Or just say: “…Anything that burns is dirty…”

Yes mn - anything that burns is dirty. What's so hard to understand?

Grin

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Reply #29 - 08/13/18 at 21:25:37

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/13/18 at 17:42:08:

Nuclear creates crap that remains deadly for how long?
How's fukushima doing?
Condemning the best coal in America, while mining low quality, high sulfur coal, is not exactly a brilliant position, IMO.

Condemning our population with pollution is not a good idea either. The smart money's on renewables. Too bad the big money isn't behind it like it is with fossil fuels.

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