http://thoughtfulreading.com/politics/live-map-united-states-2016-presidentia...

just a thought......

Interesting, and yes the map MN refers us to is mostly red.  We should not forget that almost 3 million more people voted for HRC than DJT.

Sorta like the stat that almost 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the USA.   It is a weird world.

I think it may be urban vs country, but it may be costal vs inland with coastal having more contact with other lands and seeing examples of life outside of corn and pork (I am not being derrogatory here, just examples). Please note the Mississippi River is navigateable so I include it as coastal.

Lost,

I appreciate your critique a couple quick comments.

Trump is protecting their moral values???????   the 3 times divorced, greedy, incompetent businessman Trump???  The cheating on his wife even now Trump?  The Trump that said he'd be LBGTQ's best friend at the Republican convention Trump?   or did they know he was lying then... so the Lying Trump????  

They didn't think Obama cared about them? Obama who tried to get them healthcare for their very lives? The Obama that got us out of the recession, who wanted to protect against it from happening again, didn't care???  The Obama that was known as the "deporter in cheif"?  

huh, okay..

Trump has nothing to do with it. Most conservatives see progressiveness as the problem, men in girls bathrooms, unfettered abortion, 67 definitions of gender. Trump was just the only choice to slow down progressiveness. As far as Obama goes it is again not about Obama. it is about a progressive world view that wants bigger Government and control. Most Americans do not want more government control, we see that as bad. I will run my own life.

What news is telling you that?  are you listening to Fox news rail on and on, again and again and again, (I know they repeat themselves A LOT on that station and all across conservative radio too, i've heard it) They take someone addressing a fault of the nation, some area that needs improving and they spin it to the Left hating ALL of America.  

Cause there's not a majority of democrats or liberals that think America is vastly selfish or racist, they point out areas, and then Fox News and conservatives distort that into them saying that ALL Cops are racists, no one really believes that. They believe that there's a problem with the militarization of the cops and how they are trained and how they don't represent the areas they patrol.

You are listening to "news" that is feeding you things to motivate you to do what they want, pointing out racial problems is NOT saying All Americans are racists, taking compassion on children brought here by their parents illegally is NOT amnesty for criminals, wanting to take care of the poor via government is not declaring anyone selfish ( although, with this one, I kinda get the perspective you are coming from, but feel it's being exaggerated as is done by media of all sides.)

I agree that both sides are guilty but like I said most Americans are sick of it. Voting for Trump was not only against the Democrats, it was also against the establishment Republicans. The media and the parties do not seem to realize this. Go anywhere in academia and see what the attitude is towards America these days.

maybe it's because it was also christians that used the bible to defend slavery???

There is some truth to what you said. but the small minority that used the Bible (falsely) to condone slavery does not take away from the fact that it was the Christian Abolitionist that worked so hard to stop slavery, run the underground railroad and bring forth the idea that all men are created equal means ALL men.

But Fox News and conservative radio also lead an onslaught against Obama, a president elected by the people as well.

you are right Obama did very little while he was president, well, of course he had a republican congress for 6 years of his presidency so ....

The corruption like Pruitt??  there is still a TON of corruption in the government, and Trump really ISN'T helping get rid of it, only when his administration is caught does something happen to minimize it

Russia.... how many indictments so far...  like 50??   yeah, nothing to see there, nothing to see, keep moving, keep moving

with that said, I think Trump just plain outworked Clinton to win for the most part, but if we can do something to make our elections safer from outside influence, what's wrong with that?

Once again those that elected Trump were not just against the Democrats but against an out of control government. He just happened to be the only choice.

Did Russia mess in our election? Sure! Do you really expect them not to? we do it. We should be focused on that and not turning it in to a political issue to overthrow an elected President. The whole idea that Trump and his people got together with the Russians and the came up with a plan to steal an election is just silly.

and basically, what you said about the economy doing better, is because "people feel better" .  basically, they've been holding back while Obama was in office because they were being cautious about having one of them "pinko communist Kenyans" in office, since you didn't provide any regulations that were rolled back or direct tax cut benefits ( you kinda mentioned that but just that people like them, not that they actually did any good) so it's all about coddling those in power to make them feel good to spend money

You making this about Race is exactly what we hate. Nobody care about Obama being black! of course that is not true either because he is also White. The confidence has to do with Progressives that want to move toward socialistic policy and bigger government with more interference vs those that believe in free inter prize. with less government interference.

where'd I make this about race?  I mentioned a NATIONALITY, not a race, YOU did that, and that's what YOU WON"T OWN. I mentioned the nationality because I gave you all the benefit of the doubt that you didn't care about race, but rather Obama's "otherness/foreignness."  notice I said "pinko communist" FIRST which is relevant to the rest of your reply.  I, too, believe it was more about the liberal/progressive nature of Obama than his race, but I DIDN"T MAKE IT ALL ABOUT HIS RACE, acknowledge that you snapped to that and made it into something YOU HATE.

I see your point here and can own up to that. In the words of Springsteen " like a dog that's been beat to much you spend half your life trying to cover up"

I do not think that progressives wanting to help people is bad either. I think the approach to fixing it is bad. You say that the success of this Nation will be INNOVATION, I agree! The difference is I believe government hinders innovation while free enterprise fosters it. One of the places that progressives do not like is that greed motivates people and profit is the primary motivator. I also understand that sometimes that greed needs to be checked. Also when the government gives it becomes an entitlement. let me give an example.

I grew up in the 60's and 70's, drugs, sex and rock and roll. During that time I never got anyone pregnant, I knew the consequences so did everyone else. We took care of our own Birth control and if something did happen it was our responsibility to handle, however one decided to handle it. TODAY, for some reason people think that they have a right to sex and that I the tax payer is some how responsible for providing the necessary tools to have safe sex and if they are incapable of controlling their desires it my responsibility to fix it. What we need is more responsibility.

The problem with Government health care is it becomes a black hole of corruption and waste and creates a society without responsibility.

We in our church used to go into the city near me and feed the homeless all the time. That is until the city got involved and set so many rules and regulations on us that we could no longer accomplish our simple task of feeding people. I agree, there is not enough Charity. But Government hinders Charitable works.

I sat on the Board Of Directors for a food Pantry in my area and for years we feed the local needy that is until the Government came in and placed so many regulations on us that we had to shut down.

Trippah wrote on 07/17/18 at 12:50:32:


I don't disagree with you that there is a LOT that needs to be fixed. I just dont think a one payer system fixes anything. All that does is take the corruption out of the private market pockets and put it into the Government pockets.