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Reply #30 - 04/18/18 at 15:57:25
 

https://liliputing.com/2018/04/facebook-may-be-designing-its-own-chips.html

Apple is said to be designing its own chips for use in upcoming Macs computers, which isn’t a huge surprise since the company already designs the chips its uses in iPhones and iPods. But there also seems to be a trend toward companies that typically source their chips from companies like Intel and Qualcomm turning to in-house designs.

Last year Xiaomi started making its own smartphone chips. Rumor has it that Amazon is developing its own chips for use in smart speakers. And now it Bloomberg reports that Facebook may be developing its own processors.

It’s unclear at this point what they’ll be used for: but there are a bunch of possibilities, including:

Servers
Virtual reality headsets (Facebook owns Oculus)
Smart speakers (Facebook is said to be working on a device to compete with Amazon Echo and Google Home-style speakers)



OK, each major company (Apple, Google, Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi, Amazon, Facebook) seems to be designing themselves up a custom fitted ARM chip to specifically fit their specific needs.  All are using the RISC based ARM DynamIQ system technology to do so.  

NOBODY IS USING PURE INTEL CISC BASED TECHNOLOGY solely for any of it anymore.   Even AMD is now using ARM DynamIQ tech as the roots of their "CISC similar" co-processing CPU and graphics chipsets.   Now even Intel says they are going to be doing some of the same sort of thing later on this year, incorporating more of the tech that AMD uses. (And yes, this is legal -- Intel has a long standing ARM systems design license -- has had it for over 5 years now and AMD is certainly free to peddle their stuff to Intel if they want to)

Intel is the one losing the largest piece of this shifting chunk of market share, with Qualcomm being the second biggest chunk size loser.

We are looking for ARM to evolve more drastically this year and to change up DynamIQ in the direction of MORE GRUNT POWER per big core fairly soon.

Two things drive this, First -- Apple, Samsung and Qualcomm are already using the current heaviest hitter A-75 big cores and will soon need something better -- real soon.  They will need this later on this year or early next year, as a matter of fact.    Apple is the hard driver pushing this hard -- asking ARM Holdings to come up with a PC class core designed at 7nm lithography as that is where they will be next year 100% as they are phasing into it on phones this year.

Because ARM will never announce anything new until it is in real production at one or more of their vendors, we find that we are currently sitting in the "silence zone" over these potential new cores all over again ......

Second item is all the major players that are signalling they are sick and tired of Wintel and tired of being gamed, screwed over and then bled dry all the time by Wintel.   Wintel needs to die, Intel needs to die.   The age of Dinosaurs is over, boys and girls --- it is LONG past due for the Wintel boys to go retire to the tar pits .....

ARM Holdings needs to step up to the plate with a bigger bat PC class main core, something that can knock the ball slam out of the park -- not just be doing them fast bouncing grounders all the time as they have been doing.

You got Google cooking up an inherently secure, blazing fast, no-legacy-entanglements FOSS OS for ARM based processors that the stated intent is to cover phones, tablets, laptops, PC and Server Class machines.   You got Apple laying in ARM based plans for dropping a new mystery chip into all their laptops and PCs.  You got lots of industry leaders hiring chip design team leaders away from Qualcomm (who is squaring up for some really big layoffs right about now) and making lots of new home grown SoC moves with new chip designs using some new undisclosed ARM Holdings tech as the base.

Something is gonna give, soon.

Intel CISC simply has no compelling plan for the future.   Microsoft is planning on swinging over into being a Linux based Value Added Reseller instead of a historical industry innovator as they have been in the past.  

Both MS and Intel have now de-manned so very very deeply they can't really seem to do any real innovation any longer.



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News Flash -- 4/19/2018 Qualcomm announces their first relatively large round of American layoffs and acts to refocus itself on its core businesses as Trump trade actions cause Qualcomm to lose the ZTE and Huawei business volumes.   And no, Qualcomm isn't invulnerable to losing some big lawsuits or by having some of its largest overseas customers prevented from buying American technology for SEVEN YEARS by US government action.

https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1333198

Qualcomm is joining Intel in the ranks of the declining American industrial giants now.    

See Huawei and Xiaomi and ZTE grow rapidly & suddenly USING THEIR OWN ARM BASED HOME GROWN CHIP DESIGNS to cover this brand new opportunity.   You got to remember that both ZTE, Xiaomi  and Huawei are all controlled quietly by the Chinese Central Committee and they all are prone to getting Central Committee directives to sell stuff to each other upon need.    

It is clear that Qualcomm was riddled with Chinese agents, witness how fast Huawei and Xiaomi was able to crank up a state of the art SoC based phone chip complete with a matching cellular radio system (< 1 year) and just how fast a 5g LTE system was able to be copied by the Chinese telecoms (can you say Huawei again three times fast?)

It is embarrassing how quickly China can go steal current American military secrets and industrial core technologies and have them up and running before the Americans can even finish up their own original efforts.


Undecided        Change, she comes again .....  
We are approaching a world-wide tipping point for basic phone and computer technology that will see the USA drop flat off the competitive and developmental road map inside 3 years.
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Reply #31 - 04/19/18 at 23:58:32
 

I predicted that Huawei and ZTE and Xiaomi would erupt out into the marketplace as fully Chinese designed chip sources after Trump's government actions mandated a full cut off of all American technology outflow to one of those Chinese companies that are directly under the control of China's Central Committee.

The spy vs spy stuff now was coming out of the shadows, in other words.   We saw China block Qualcomm from buying NPS by denying Chinese "approval" and we saw the US government block Hoc Tan's attempts to buy Qualcomm outright by telling him point blank to withdraw all efforts.

China and America are currently tusselng over 5g LTE technology and the future of the internet.   Both countries see the new 5g LTE based web backbone as a military significant infrastructure, and both intend to control that resource technology worldwide.   This competition for the new 5g web is now also coming out of the shadows now and you can see moves being made.

Remember please, the internet itself was initially an American Military Program and all of the original nodes were military based.   This tech has been replaced 6 times now with better generations of tech and greatly expanded as it penetrated all of society, but its significance militarily has never changed or waned.  

The next generation of internet tech is coming soon, and will it be America tech again, or will it be Chinese in origin?

It did not take long to see evidence of this technical "eruption" as it wasn't so much a change so much as a "pulling away of the veil" that had been hiding  existing information which has been there for a while.  Or you could say it is a case of everybody is looking for it now.


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In the last month, more of the following veils have been lifted:

https://liliputing.com/2018/04/honor-10-smartphone-launches-in-china-for-abou...     That's a heck of a nice phone for only $415 -- shame it wants to report your personal data back to Chinese servers instead of American servers.   It is a totally Chinese designed processor and cellular modem/radio SoC that was both designed and built in China.   Is it totally state of the art ??? -- NO, but it doesn't miss it by much.   It really isn't but about a year back at this point in time.


http://www.atimes.com/article/china-set-launch-new-supercomputer/  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SW26010
This is becoming revealed, but it obviously isn't current any more.   New chip lines that have been put into Chinese chip foundries can easily beat 1.45 gigahertz core speeds by quite a bit now.   The use of many many many small ARM based cores in supercomputers is now accepted by both American and Chinese supercomputer efforts as the lowest energy cost way to get to exascale computing.


https://liliputing.com/2018/04/honor-unveils-its-first-laptop-the-14-inch-mag...    Huawei has broken out into laptops and PCs now and you can count on them being a real competitor in that space over the next few years.


https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_announce_surge_s2_chipset_mwc_2018-news-29270...   This actually smells very much like a 1 year old Kirin 970 chipset -- was Huawei instructed to share the older Kirin tech with Xiaomi and with others as this tech is now showing up in new PC class replacement chipsets like the  item following just below.


https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/09/01/details-emerge-chinas-64-core-arm-chip/
OK, this is being fronted by Xiaomi, not Huawei and it also involves Lenovo supplying some old IBM technology know how to the mix.  Look at the speeds and core types and REALIZE that this really puts meat behind the idea that the Chinese supercomputer revealed above was only revealed after it became obsolete and had been replaced as China can do much much better than that commercially right now.    Being Chinese Military based, you can count on anything you are allowed to know about Chinese Supercomputers as being 1-2 generations back and that it has already been replaced by something better.

Also take away that China is now clearly gunning for Intel's server and desktop market niches and they are doing it the same way that Qualcomm showed us -- many many many ARM cores using some DynamIQ tech to connect them all.   Old IBM connection technology was copied and used by the Chinese in the two generations before, but since ARM DynamIQ tech is much more current it will likely be used by everybody as an industry standard fashion going forward.


http://www.thephonetalks.com/hisilicon-kirin-980-mass-production-starts/
In production now, this is the very first 7nm Chinese processor.    First mention here of Huawei designing their own CPU & AI block to match up with their own home grown cellular radio.   This unified system strongly supports the new Chinese telecom and Indian telecom standards -- note it will not run well at all on some various USA systems.   So, Huawei is pushing their own 5g internet standards both on the telecom equipment side (Huawei is a huge supplier in Asia for the Internet backbone supplier things) and again on the lower cost handset side of things.  

If you get the impression we pay a WHOLE LOT MORE for stuff in the USA right now, yes you are catching the drift now.   Our entire domestic phone and computer supply chain really lives in China now .... surprise.   Lower cost on both ends say to the rest of the world to use the Chinese 5g internet systems standards and guess what the world is starting to be doing.
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Reply #32 - 04/20/18 at 08:15:22
 

https://liliputing.com/2018/04/zte-still-hopes-to-reach-a-deal-to-avert-us-tr...

ZTE is now the hardball poster child of the US Commerce Department -- in a negative sort of way.   It is the first Chinese company to be disciplined for breaking export bans to Iran and North Korea by having all US component exports to it banned for 7 years.

ZTE claimed "confusion" and then came up with a kinda good enough plan to comply, got granted a limited remission of the 7 years penalty and then stupidly ignored that compliance plan in a very public fashion.   The remission of the 7 year penalty is now formally revoked and American companies are being reminded of the penalties for shipping ANYTHING to ZTE, with anything specifically including Google software.

ZTE is busy trying to drum up sympathy for its plight (no luck so far) and Google is now being pointedly reminded that the PlayStore, GMail, Google Maps, etc are USA component exports as well.   Qualcomm already says it will stop all shipments on the effective date as given by the US Commerce Department, so they are not being surprised by this action.

Now China will see if they can help ZTE game the American legal system some and we will see how far that goes.  

Expect the 5th District Federal Court of Appeals to get utilized by ZTE/China for its reputation for issuing total rebellious and extra-legal appeals orders -- it is also expect that appeal action to get elevated to the Supreme Court for review post haste.  

The 5th District Federal Court of Appeals has an 85% reversal rate for items reviewed by the Supreme Court and the 5th District Federal Court of Appeals is also coming due for some internal disciplinary actions for intentionally not obeying the law of the land itself if it continues to allow itself be used in this obvious fashion.

Also be aware that the needed ZTE American sourced components could be ordered by Xiaomi or Huawei and then quietly transferred once inside China.  

Or else ZTE could "fold up shop" and a new company spring up in its place, using the same plant, same people.   These are all old Chinese style tricks.   If you ever watched Kung Fu movies with the greedy evil totally amoral bad guys, then you got some insight into the history of these modern Chinese business goings on.

The Chinese are games players, historically, right big time.



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Taiwan has declared that all Taiwan electronic suppliers will cease shipping products to ZTE at once.

This means no Mediatek processors or various other necessary components.

All suppliers that have been sneaking stuff into North Korea or Iran are frantically covering up their tracks like crazy at the moment, as ZTE is toast as of this point in time.    Huawei  is also panicking as they have similar exposures as well .......



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ZTE officially ceased operations as of 6/9/18.   Expect it to reopen as a new company and attempt to place some new orders.   If this gets preemptively squashed by US Commerce Department, then that action is what sends the real message to the oriental games players ......
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Reply #33 - 04/25/18 at 13:52:30
 
The Bionic Beaver launches April 26 !!  Wink
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Reply #34 - 04/25/18 at 16:33:22
 

Papa Bear,

Ubuntu is calling out to me some yet again, but Mint hasn't screwed up any in the past 2 years either so I am immovable at the moment.   As a pair they make an excellent team of choices and I see Ubuntu backing off more and more on the items that caused me to leave in the first place.

I see a nice stock Gnome desktop, and a Ubuntu installer that lets you single click during install and have all the proprietary drivers tucked in place in a much more user friendly fashion.   Ubuntu boot speed was found to be slow in the last run off between Mint and Ubuntu, so Ubuntu is fixing that also this time around.

Ubuntu is still backing their home made Snap packaging format instead of Flatpack, which is my decider right there.  Lots of distros support Flatpack, but Snap is "Ubuntu only".    Gabe at Steam is a Flatpack sorta guy, so guess what I am going to use .....

Until the industry gets behind a single "user easy" app packaging format, you gotta pick between distros for silly stuff like the packaging formats that are being used.

Mint and Ubuntu switch places for the #1 rated distro fairly often, so obviously both are pretty good stuff.  

 I also find it interesting that Mickeysoft pays close attention to the pair's competing against each other, as this time around Mickey is also actually working on their porky butt slow boot speed as that is what people seem to value right now.   The reason for this is as follows, Mickey is also trying to get people to buy more Mickey apps even if they choose to run them on Ubuntu/Mint as their OS of choice. (so even Mickey recognizes an untapped large market niche when they see one)

I am also watching Google and Chrome putting cross platform Wine capability deep into Chrome OS.   Wine currently lets you run Office and other Mickey Apps in Linux -- soon that same ability will be in Chromebooks by default.   Wine is also working on putting Android apps into Windows using the same tricks -- so this is a real two edged sword that folks are picking up on.


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This is funny ......  I mentioned Mickey was gonna work on their boot speed to try to get rid of  the porky slow boot lag that they have now.

In checking into it further, I am amused to learn THAT BY DESIGN MICKEY NEVER EVER SHUTS DOWN REALLY, NOPE, NOT EVER .....

Shush, this is a secret -- don't tell anybody.   WIN 10 MACHINES, THEY ONLY GO INTO A SUSPEND OR HIBERNATE MODE WHEN SHUT DOWN ....     AND THAT HAS BEEN A CONSTANT WIN 10 TRAIT SINCE THE BEGINNINGS OF WIN 10.

This was so your machine was always left in a residual hot state so Mickey can get into it each night to fiddle with it.   This also meant Mickey has intentionally left you constantly and secretly exposed so internet hackers could use your machine to mine bitcoins and run porn sites while conveniently still running in Mickey's "hidden mode" (while still using up your electric meter kilowatt/hours and tons & tons of your internet data plan overage gigabytes).

Grin     Anybody wanna go join a joint class action suit over this really cute one ???  
         Got all your old unexplained data plan overages on paper from the last few years?


So Mickey is actually trying to speed up their "exit from SUSPEND" to try to get it up into the speed range of Linux's real cold boot speeds.

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If you want to see your real cold boot speed on a Win 10 machine you have to use the power switch on the machine AND THEN UNPLUG IT, yep unplug the plug for a few minutes (or totally remove your laptop battery for a few minutes if you are a laptop guy) when your machine is supposedly completely turned off to get a real cold boot when you plug it all back up.

Yep, you really do need to learn how to do this trick because many small fiddle illnesses in Windows can still only be fixed by a good REAL cold booting.

Do not be surprised it seems you lost part of your hard drive or some complete OS sections show up missing during the cold boot process and you get a few "file not found" warnings.  It likely will all come back in 5 minutes or so after your boot up is finished completely (and you log back into Windows) as Win 10 has to keep part of your laptop's drive space up in the Microsoft Cloud (swapping in large chunks of OS and app memory as needed because all of Win 10 is SIMPLY TOO HUGE to actually fit in your laptop's scant hardware resources any longer.)  

When this cold boot sequence happens in a manner unplanned by Mickey, bad things can sometimes happen on a reboot and since you, sir, are obviously are a bitcoin mining lecherous pornographer pirate in your spare time ---- well, you,  you evil pirate sir,  now have to go buy yourself a brand spanky new AUTHORIZED copy of legitimate MS Store Win 10 OS all over again.

Roll Eyes      (your evil crime only pays when it is Mickey who wants your money, honey)


Roll Eyes      Roll Eyes      Roll Eyes     Roll Eyes        amazing, ain't it, how frikkn' porky fat and frikkn' HUGE Win 10 has become over time.   Got all complex and tricksy, too.
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Reply #35 - 05/08/18 at 14:35:55
 

https://liliputing.com/2018/05/its-official-chromebooks-are-getting-linux-app...

It’s official: Chromebooks are getting "integrated Wine support" and new full Linux app support

I have been saying that this is coming -- now it is official.    This now gives Chromebooks "end of life coverage" that is built in to the Chromebooks from the very beginning.

Google has confirmed that it’s bringing support for Linux apps to Chrome OS, which means you’ll be able to code on a Chromebook using Android Studio, an IDE like Eclipse, edit images using tools like GIMP, or run thousands of other apps.

We’ve known this was coming for a while thanks to code commits and even early versions of the feature going live in the Chrome OS Dev channel. But now it’s official.

Google says a “preview of the new tool” will be available for the Pixelbook soon, but there’s evidence that it will roll out to other Chrome OS devices in the future, including some with ARM-based processors.

The feature is initially aimed at developers, but it could make Chromebooks a whole lot more useful for non-developers too.
Linux will run in a virtual machine designed specifically for Chromebooks. It’s said to start in seconds and integrate with Chrome OS so that when you install a Linux app it’ll show up alongside your other Chrome OS apps in the launcher. Click it and it will load as if it were running natively, and you’ll be able to resize or move the window and access files saved to your Chromebook from within that virtual machine.

In other words, while you can already use Crouton to run Ubuntu or another GNU/Linux distribution alongside Chrome OS, you need to switch between environments to get anything done. Google’s new Linux implementation (code-named “Crostini”), will offer a much more seamless experience so that it feels like you’re running one operating system, not two separate ones.


Chromebooks can run Chrome Apps, Android Apps and Linux Apps and mebbe most compatible Apple Apps (if you buy them) and mebbe most compatible MS Office Apps (if you buy them).

In the future they can stick whatever fat porky overly huge softwares (that they can't possibly load and hold in local memory because of small systems or HD memory sizes) up into a cloud based memory container and run it anyway off the cloud server (exact same tricks Win 10 uses all the time).

Microsoft has some real competition lined up now and Mickey certainly isn't staying abreast with the ever changing Chrome world very well ......

Telling point for business users -- Chromebooks are naturally secure, very very easy to administer and they cost a whole lot less to purchase than a new generation of Wintel machines.  

Sys Admins and companies with a tight budget seem to like the new Chromebooks ..... a lot.



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Something's coming up the pike ........ yet again ..... on the server end of things.

Qualcomm just quietly dropped their current development of the next generation of 48+ ARM Core Centriq Server Processor which were to be run at 7nm.    This was the smoking hot gun that Qualcomm had held to Intel's head last year at 10nm that resulted in Intel and others orchestrating the attempted Qualcomm buy out by Hock Tan that got Trump's administration all upset and involved, bringing to a point all the political techno-stress between China and America.

China's Military Based top secret super-computing systems have already taken up this 48 core plus baton and have been rolling forward in secret as we speak.    In tip top Chinese Military type secret, using unannounced new ARM technology that will be run at some level of 7nm at a new top secret Chinese foundry that isn't officially announced at all just yet.

Apple is now slowly cooking themselves some PC class applesauce, using unannounced new ARM technology that is currently being run at second generation 7nm at TSMC as we speak .....

Now Qualcomm is dropping all developmental efforts on their existing successful 10nm Centriq Falcor Server Systems seemingly in mid stride for no reason ????     Is this a case of the "hidden customer" thing rising up to bite them in the butt???   Did Qualcomm actually lose their real largest customer, the one sitting behind the red curtain?

Something is up alright .....  but they just won't say what at this point in time.  



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So, China has created 5 new foundries in the last 2 years, some of which are swinging state of the art brand new ASML production lines at unannounced locations.  

The big 3  Chinese government owned cell phone companies have each started building things like laptops and PCs and making internet backbone products and providing SoCs to each other in violation of all existing market agreements with their old South Korean and American main SoC  providers.    Face it, China isn't going to honor old agreements past the point it suits their needs to do so -- they will either buy their way or spy their way into getting all your tech secrets and then build it themselves, faster and cheaper than you can.

Lenovo (now Chinese owned) has been shown to have provided some old mainframe IBM backbone technology to these hidden Chinese efforts (although Lenovo was never actually part of that piece of IBM in the past).   This shows that Lenovo isn't to be trusted either as it is acting as a technology pipeline as well.


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Reply #36 - 05/09/18 at 07:14:35
 

https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1333271

Next nugget out of this year's Google I/O is a brand new Tensor Processing Unit TPU 3.0 which is a neat clean water cooled 100 petaflops of raw learned item execution speed per card.    

Each card by itself is the equivalent of any of the currently disclosed Chinese supercomputers in terms of raw execution speed.  

Note please, there are four (4) water cooled processor blocks per card (the picture at the bottom only shows two, you can imagine a mirror flip of what you can see to complete the card image).



Kinda insanely powerful stuff, huh?   Could mebbe explain why Qualcomm gave up on their ARM 48+ core Centriq stuff all of a sudden.    Better tech was out there, time to start using it.

You can build up a single vertical rack stack out of these in a tower case ---  four of these puppies would make up a world beating supercomputer for raw speed and throughput compared to anything that is known at this point in time.




You can get the same effective raw execution speed in these "room filled with units" computer pile-ups ....  but I suspect the "room filled with units" have a whole lot of much slower more parallel raw grunt computing power instead of the massive Tensor raw blazing speed like the Tensor Processing Unit has.

POINT TO REMEMBER

Tensor Processing is different, it can handle MANY MANY MANY simultaneously changing input variables at blazing speeds, and it always comes up with an optimized answer FAST even when there are a few actual missing pieces of the puzzle, something that Intel CISC processing cannot do at all.  

Intel CISC processing just stops running until the data fields are all input by you, something that may never happen in sloppy real time real world problems like driving a car.

https://www.networkworld.com/article/3218098/data-center/top-10-supercomputer...

Issue with Tensor Processing (and AI in general) is it fits the fuzzy "optimization" problems best and our human minds are having a hard time understanding how to program it, or indeed exactly how it works.   Indeed, we currently tend to let it learn the tasks for itself as it finds decision pathways we cannot grok to get to the answer -- but always much much much much faster than before.

Think of it as the difference between a written on paper decision tree logic and an artist's instant intuition .....
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Reply #37 - 05/09/18 at 09:09:07
 

And typical for Mickey, whenever Google releases "done things" at Google I/O ----  IMMEDIATELY Mickey always has to go shoot off their biggest BS PR cannons immediately, verbally promising the same sorta stuff to be coming from them "soon" which sorta kinda never actually really happens as promised.

https://liliputing.com/2018/05/windows-on-arm-is-getting-64-bit-app-support-a...

Microsoft has promised the release of a preview of a new software development kit that would allow developers to create 64-bit ARM apps that could run on Windows 10 PCs with Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 processors (or other ARM-based chips if and when any PCs with other stronger ARM chips arrive).

Oh, and it looks like the move will also let you use the Windows Subsystem for Linux on ARM PCs, allowing you to run native Linux apps on the HP Envy x2, Asus NovaGo, or Lenovo Miix 630.


Once again, Mickey vaguely promises, promises, promises -- then eventually fails to deliver.   But they do always remember to charge you lots of money for whatever they do eventually partially give to you ......

Google and ARM both deliver for low cost (or free) before talking any at all.    

Quite a difference here as Mickey can try to talk up a good game, but Mickey doesn't do so good in the actual doing of things any more.



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Reply #38 - 05/23/18 at 19:44:20
 

OK, it has been over 3 weeks since Google showed Intel how to get over into the rackspace and server tar pits and Microsoft has gone and fired them off a big salvo of "Me too, sometimes soon -- (once I understand what all that stuff is ....) " in reply.

Now in the 3 week lull following this witty exchange ARM Holdings has released Trillium 2.0 which is an AI sub processor block which offers 4.6 TRILLION operations per second and which works in concert with ARM's own CPU and GPU designs and with the new much faster (and larger) non-volatile layered memory standards being sold by Samsung, Micron, Crucial, Sandisk and others .   PLUS, it has a new set of 3x compression tuning multiplier effects that come with it, giving it functionally 3x much greater raw speed and throughput in real life uses.  

Why is ARM releasing info on this stuff now?  Simple, somebody has it in production and is selling it right now --- ARM never releases any information on new stuff until their customers make their first production moves and start selling it (allowing them to take the "first mover advantage", which is all part of a standard ARM Holdings contract).

Huawei and Qualcomm have both announced a new set of mid-line processors that use this Trillium functionality to make up their main punch of goodness/newness --- customers are no longer depending on getting a yet smaller more expensive more powerful CPU to be their "be all and end all" any more.  

Get real boys and girls, upping the lithography has never given more than say a 25-30% boost at any one given time, but these AI increases result in whole multiples of throughput improvements (like 10x and 3x and other such much larger relative change numbers).

Please note AI requires an OS and some learned programs that actually use the new functionality, and that is the slow down that is operating at the moment.   But this is changing, fairly quickly in the Automotive side of things especially.

Google is actually putting AI Trillium style executeables into basic Android OS codes, mainlining the AI revolution.   Video and optical and automotive self-driving uses are the foremost users of the new style of compute power -- but it is getting used around the edges of most stuff more and more and more.

Stock pundits are telling folks like you and me to sell off their historically large Intel and Microsoft holdings from their retirement accounts as these stocks are way over valued at this time.   Stock pundits don't like them non-current older weaker "non-advancing" type stocks that like to go bathe in warm tar pools all the time.    If you don't do this adjustment soon before the bottom drops out of these stocks, it will be you that will be taking that messy tar bath too.


Intel and Mickey go for a dip

7nm generation 2 is now in full production at TSMC making the Apple A12 chipsets for this fall.   These same lines will be used to make the first A12+ chipsets that will make up Apple's answer to the Intel laptop chipsets they are currently buying from Intel.

When this comes off, it signals the start of the end for Intel as at one blow they will lose 25% of their retail business, losing both the radio portion and the CPU portion of the Apple business at the same time to Apple's very own manufactured in house silicon products.

Intel losses to AMD are increasing as well, Intel is simply not competing very well at all lately in laptops and PC space.   AMD keeps advancing and Intel is dead on the ground, so this market share loss will continue over time.

Both Intel and Microsoft bet heavily on getting a strong presence inside Automotive self-driving systems, but reality shows that they do not carry as much weight in Automotive as it was originally hoped that they would have.

Their stock holders who are asking for the "new Intel and Microsoft plans for going forward" are getting a lot of PR and not much real anything else --- it is beginning to look bad for the tar babies.   They missed the phone wave and are now busy missing the AI wave as well .....

Google is showing the general pathway forward and ARM is broadly implementing it and the Far East is romping on down the new path gleefully as it offers a cheap path to new levels of computing power.

The tar babies are jest setting back, soaking in their warm black pool,  watching all the others run around like warm blooded living breathing beings.


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New layoffs in June at Microsoft        https://www.thelayoff.com/microsoft

New layoffs are currently rolling around at Intel         https://www.thelayoff.com/t/H1p0syq


50,000+ laid off by late 2018

This is just getting started people. Intel makes nothing that the market needs. Intel is arrogant and believes that hordes of PHD level individuals will be happy doing sh-- work that can be done by individuals with AA or high school degrees. Intel is going down in to the sh--ter fast. Get your money out while you can before they just simply fire you. IF YOU HAVE ADVANCED SKILLS, GET OUT!
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