Donate!
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register :: View Members
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Cheaper front suspension upgrade? (Read 335 times)
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
03/28/18 at 09:14:36
 
A few months ago I found out of new cartridge emulators, manufactured by Korean YSS.

http://www.yssusa.com/products_yss_pdforkvalve.html

As the Racetech emulators are quite expensive when shipped to Europe I decided to get a pair of these (72€ incl. shipping), size 310, suitable for Suzuki GS500 and others with same sized fork tubes.

Using the spring calculator at Racetech site I found out that they recommend same springs for Kawasaki Ninja 250 as they do for Savage, and they also told that the stock springs for the Ninja are 0.65 kg/mm. So, these springs should fit the mighty Savage as well Wink

As they're not that expensive ($22) I decided to order a pair: https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/44026-0126

I got the inspiration to do this from Gary_in_NJ's excellent thread: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1498156004/1
Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 03/28/18 at 13:42:20 by kojones »  
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #1 - 03/28/18 at 09:17:23
 
Disassembly of the front forks was easy, here is the stock progressive spring vs. the new Kawi spring, which are 15mm longer and have slightly stiffer feel.

Back to top
 

springs.jpg
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #2 - 03/28/18 at 09:18:51
 
YSS instruction manual https://www.yss.co.th/downloads/20161222023100.pdf states that this size of fork tubes requires six 8 mm holes. So, let's drill.
Back to top
 

holes.jpg
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #3 - 03/28/18 at 09:22:22
 
YSS manual stated that the preload spacers should be shortened 14-17mm. The new springs were slightly longer, so I decided to cut 30mm out of the stock spacers. So, 14mm of preload.
Back to top
 

preload.jpg
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #4 - 03/28/18 at 09:28:47
 
Poured some 15W oil in, measured it so that the oil level is 75mm from top of the fork tube, according to Clymers. YSS manual said to add 2 turns of preload to the fork valve springs, so I did just that.

Upgrade wasn't that hard, took a couple of hours and a few beers with a friend.

The front end feels much better already, much faster response and smoother feel. Have to wait a few weeks before I can take it to a test ride  Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

finished.jpg
  IP Logged
justin_o_guy2
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

What happened?

Posts: 55279
East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #5 - 03/28/18 at 10:04:08
 
Did you do a
Panic Stop Dive test
Before and after?
Results?
How happy are you with the performance?
What do you weigh?
Back to top
 
 

The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke.
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #6 - 03/28/18 at 10:24:45
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/28/18 at 10:04:08:
Did you do a
Panic Stop Dive test
Before and after?
Results?
How happy are you with the performance?
What do you weigh?


Too much ice and snow on the roads to do proper testing just yet  Grin
That spring rate should be a decent match for a lightened Savage and a 80 kg rider.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Gary_in_NJ
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

LS650 Cafe Racer

Posts: 2630
Amongst the Twisty Roads
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #7 - 03/28/18 at 10:27:38
 
Great report. I think a 75mm air gap is too much oil. I started with 120mm and settled on 130mm. With that much oil the last 1/3 of fork travel will be very stiff, if you can access it at all.
Back to top
 
 

A life-time student of motorcycling.
LS650 Cafe, DRZ400SM, FZ6N, SV650S, CB900C, Ducati ST2, CB550F-SS
My LS650=> http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Left.JPG
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #8 - 03/28/18 at 10:32:45
 
Gary_in_NJ wrote on 03/28/18 at 10:27:38:
Great report. I think a 75mm air gap is too much oil. I started with 120mm and settled on 130mm. With that much oil the last 1/3 of fork travel will be very stiff, if you can access it at all.


Good info. Luckily it should be easy to remove the excess oil with a syringe and some rubber tubing, just have to calculate the volume.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Gary_in_NJ
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

LS650 Cafe Racer

Posts: 2630
Amongst the Twisty Roads
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #9 - 03/28/18 at 13:57:28
 
Check my suspension thread or my build thread, I’ve done the calculations
Back to top
 
 

A life-time student of motorcycling.
LS650 Cafe, DRZ400SM, FZ6N, SV650S, CB900C, Ducati ST2, CB550F-SS
My LS650=> http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Left.JPG
  IP Logged
Gary_in_NJ
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

LS650 Cafe Racer

Posts: 2630
Amongst the Twisty Roads
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #10 - 03/29/18 at 12:29:03
 
Here is the figures you'll need to adjust the oil height:

For the forks used on the CS-1 Café, each 8.55ml (0.289oz) of oil added or removed equates to a 10mm change in oil height (the forks have an ID of 33mm and solving for this equation gives us the volume of fluid: Volume = Pi x R^2 x Length).

I checked my records and my air gap is actually 140mm. So if the goal air gap is 140mm and you're at 75mm, that's a difference of 65mm. Each 10mm equals 8.55ml so 6.5x8.55 = 55.58ml to be removed.
Back to top
 
 

A life-time student of motorcycling.
LS650 Cafe, DRZ400SM, FZ6N, SV650S, CB900C, Ducati ST2, CB550F-SS
My LS650=> http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Left.JPG
  IP Logged
Matchless G11
Senior Member
****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 451
Newfoundland NJ
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #11 - 04/04/18 at 14:47:14
 
What is the ft fender you are using?
I am looking for a different one for my project.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #12 - 04/04/18 at 22:02:01
 
Matchless G11 wrote on 04/04/18 at 14:47:14:
What is the ft fender you are using?
I am looking for a different one for my project.


It's a stainless fender bought from ebay, some greek seller. Still need to make a mounting bracket for it from stainless 115mm tube.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
kojones
Full Member
***
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 223
Finland
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #13 - 04/12/18 at 13:28:00
 
Still waiting for a syringe to get rid of some oil, but I did measure a bit.

From rear shock top mounting nut to ground: Free sag 10mm, loaded sag 30mm.

Front fork tube compresses 10mm by  the bikes weight and with me on the saddle another 30mm..

These seem to be quite ok?

If I just could take it to a test ride, it’s almost +10 degrees outside. Still have to wait a few weeks for a new longer chain and larger sprockets  :'(
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Gary_in_NJ
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

LS650 Cafe Racer

Posts: 2630
Amongst the Twisty Roads
Re: Cheaper front suspension upgrade?
Reply #14 - 04/12/18 at 15:49:18
 
I like those sag values. Spot on.
Back to top
 
 

A life-time student of motorcycling.
LS650 Cafe, DRZ400SM, FZ6N, SV650S, CB900C, Ducati ST2, CB550F-SS
My LS650=> http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/Left.JPG
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print


« Home

 
« Home
SuzukiSavage.com
06/01/24 at 18:17:48



General CategoryRubber Side Down! › Cheaper front suspension upgrade?


SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2!
YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved.