justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/29/18 at 12:23:27:



insurance companies have bought physicians groups and hospitals, and hospitals have bought and offered insurance

are you maybe starting to understand why a pure for profit driven system doesn't answer everything and can be corrupting?  

even though it's still the best system that we've come up with so far, capitalism isn't perfect and that "invisible hand" can be a tricky mo-fo.

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/29/18 at 12:29:59:


+1

are you maybe starting to understand why a pure for profit driven system doesn't answer everything and can be corrupting?

Nope, not Starting..
I've Known it for decades.
Corruption is.
That's not a reason to dismiss
Capitalism, but to work against corruption.

I don't think it's unreasonable for the consumer to expect their Purchased Access, and No, Not EVERYONE has access to the road, but the people who purchase that access, I don't think, should be limited in how access to one site should be different from another.
People who don't PAY have no access to the internet unless they pack up and go to where they can get online.
I don't have Access to the Product the radio station broadcasts if I don't buy a radio.
People who don't have an ISP don't have access to the internet.
People who don't have a cable package don't have more than broadcast television.
If you want MORE, you Buy access to the Product.
By buying access to the internet, I think the consumer should be able to reasonably expect the same speed of connection with Any website that consumer chooses.
How is that anything other than right?"

I disagree with JOG.
 Everybody  has access, everybody.
It may be along walk from the cardboard box under the bridge,
      to the local library.
But,  access is available,
and for some that do not pay taxes,
it is, actually free.
 (Don’t even have to buy a Computer)
So, Everybody can have access.
Even, ‘Remote’ places.  A  Satellite connection, could be used.

Then their is:
“…That’s what people are complaining about, not faster internet but equal access….”
I like Pork, so I  WANT,  Equal  access to Pork, regardless of what restaurant I go to.

So, you get a Company to connect you to the Web.
You can go to place, 1, 2, 3, fast.  But, you also want to go to place, 4,5,6, and they are slower.
Because, the company you used to connect, owns  1,2,3, and not 4,5,6,
One complains, Why ?
  Bill Gates, may buy a new car for his Nieces & Nephews.
Does that mean, he should buy, YOUR, Nieces & Nephews, a new car ?
  Because he can ?  Same thing.

You really want sites 4,5,6 faster than, 1,2,3, then get a different Service.
Their are Many Options, (In the, ‘Civilized’, Countries)
You want Sites  1,2,3  Just as fast as, 4,5,6.
Their WILL be a service that will provide that.
Just have to look for it.

Doctors owning Hospitals, Hospitals owning Doctors, Doctors/Hospitals, owing Drug Stores.
Cheese and Rice, that sort of thing has been going on for a  LONG time.
When Solomon, Mined  Salt with Slaves,
I think he also sold salt shakers.

Again, don’t like the food that Restaurant serves,
find a Different Restaurant.

MN Spring......

I hesitate to even respond to you cause I seriously have a very difficult time understanding anything you say.


but I believe you think there is or will be enough competition in the ISP marketplace to provide for everyone's whims and desires and you'd be fine with the "invisible hand" of the market place determining the best service.  

however, what you are ignoring, either just to be difficult or you just don't know or you enjoy the argument, idk why. is that the telecomm industry that controls and owns the ISPs is a highly dysfunctional marketplace, it started as a government mandated monopoly with Ma' Bell, and has never been properly sorted out to allow competition to thrive.

however, that has never happened, so the marketplace is broken.

the roadway analogy is probably the best. but let's take it a bit further, say you pay to go on a toll road, and then you decide you want to get off to go get Mexican food, but at the toll booth to exit, they charge you even more to get off the exit to the Mexican Restaurant. let's say it's called "Little Mexico" you want to go to, but to go to another Mexican restaurant, let's say Taco Cabana, it's free.  both are at the same exit, you've traveled the same distance, spent the same on gas.  so, now you are forced to participate in another unfair marketplace, as these Mexican restaurants should be able to compete based on their food and service skills and marketing capabilities, but instead are now forced to compete with who has access to the road. Your voice as a consumer has been diminished which is screwing with the invisible hand of the marketplace for Mexican food now.  

oh, and that's the only road in town, sure someone else could come in and build a new road, but there's not really enough demand for that so the people that live along that road only have one choice.  

and that's 30% of America.

MN, if you respond to this, I may or may not respond, depending on if I understand anything you say.

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/30/18 at 16:15:36:

MN Spring...  ... I seriously have a very difficult time understanding anything you say.  

 Not my fault you don’t understand.

However in a nut shell, this tidbit.

Remove, legislate, demand, tell, in any way,
the, ‘exact way’, a person can make money.
      Is a part of a,  ’Socialist’,  government.

And history, past, and present,
  has shown everyone how well that system works.

And now for the, “ Panty in a Bunch”, crowd.
 No, if you are one of two people making something,
you cannot, Kill the other person to grow your business.

Yet, TELLING, a Company, exactly what they will or will not do,
and exactly how to do that thing.
We already have, and far to much of it.
Yet, some, want More.

If Aspirin was just invented,  and no patent.
And a company was selling it for 1.00 a pill.
And everyone was buying it.
It would not take long, for another company to sell it for .50.
then another one for .25, etc etc etc.