justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/18 at 15:45:37:



as things are, title 2 wasn't a bad compromise, was it perfect, no, but at least it restrained ISPs from running over their customers a bit.

and although I'd like to see better more free market solutions, that's a much much harder fight

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/18 at 17:05:31:



and what if they do? guess you have to complain to the FTC instead of the FCC, at least that's what Pai says, so maybe all is not lost, only time will tell

 The link provided earlier does a decent job showing some of the physical infrastructure that is manipulated by ISP's.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netfli...

 It seems a lot of people forget or do not know what is involved.  Comcast throttled Netflix among others where I live and we had to start filing to get information.  Once the go ahead was approved at a hearing the performance improved.

A 18 wheel Semi, gets on the tollway.
 It is caring, 200,000.00 worth of product.
Another identical truck gets on.
  It is caring, 20,000.00 worth of product.
 They each pay a 5.00 toll.

A Prius gets on, and goes to the Same Place,
It is carrying nothing.
It pays a 1.00 toll.

The tolls are biased of the Size of the car/truck,
not why, they are driving that road.

Now, once on, the people in the  truck/s or car.
can buy a 1.00 or 2.00  or 3.00  burger.
They Choose where to stop.

They can travel, fast or slow.
 (And fast/slow, is more or less cost)
It is a choice.

Now in a Toll Road, the toll is collected by the person who builds the road.

If the, ’Toll Road’, was the Internet/WWW, who is collecting the Toll?

Know that getting on that road, is NOT, free.
  (Never has been, never will be)

“Oh but I can go the the Coffee Shop or Library, and get on for Free”
             (Just what a, ’Snowflake’ would say)
Yep, Library has Wi-Fi, and gives out the password to use it.
And who, pays taxes to the Town/Country/State,
who pays the Library,
to pay the entity that requires a fee to connect.

Same as a coffee shop, Airport, bar, etc.
The amount you pay, for that thing,
HAS, the price, that place pays, built in.

On the, Internet/WWW, who, is collecting the Toll?

Someone has some big bucks.
They buy a building, which has fiber-optic cable to the Phone building.
They buy a bunch of servers. Hire a bunch of computer experts.
And then put up adds, call their new place the, ‘Cloud’.
And offer to anyone who want’s, Storage of Anything they want.
For a price, depending on,  how much and for how long.

Who would that company pay?
How much ?
Would it depend on how big it is?
Or the value of the load it carries?

The, ‘Dark Web’.   Who pays who, (and how), for that ?

Who actually Owns the WWW - Internet ?
Not the truck, not the maker of the truck, not the company that owns the truck, not the tires on the truck, not the fuel the truck uses, not the product the truck is carrying, not the maker of the product, etc, etc, etc,

Eegore wrote on 01/26/18 at 11:56:55:



+1

 The analogy was sound, except for the question after it:

"Who actually Owns the WWW - Internet ?
Not the truck, not the maker of the truck, not the company that owns the truck, not the tires on the truck, not the fuel the truck uses, not the product the truck is carrying, not the maker of the product, etc, etc, etc, "

 Asking who owns the internet but not all the etc.etc.etc. and I think nobody does. Not when all other components are removed.

"Why aren't the same people who are upset demand that every insurance policy provide the same protection, every cable company provide the complete Platinum Package for the same price as the current cheap package?"

 Its not about cost, its about access/speed.  If I want access to any website faster I pay the higher cost.  I do not pay a flat fee for the ISP to choose for me what I can access at the flat-rate speed, and slow-down the websites they don't own.

 Its not hotdogs and steak, its steak served slower because the restaurant owns a hotdog factory.

 Im not going to go through the list of thousands of websites owned by ISPs, but I can outline Comcast since I looked into it thoroughly when access in my area was throttled by them.

 Comcast owns NBC, and NBC owns a number of websites associated with NBC television among other assets.  They own the intellectual property contained on all related websites.  This includes sports and news sites.

 Comcast acquired AT&T and the same thing applies.

 They own Universal Studios same as above applies.  

 Those examples alone equal hundreds of websites worldwide.  

 Comcast can now legally charge me a fast access premium that allows me full speed to any NBC related content and throttle my Netflix to unusable levels.  No matter what I pay for fast speed I can no longer use Netflix or Spotify etc at those paid-for speeds.

 That's what people are complaining about, not faster internet but equal access.