Feeling culturally besieged as a white man and claiming you feel so is a very quick way to be ostracized these days. After all, White men have had our day in the sun, have we not? Why should be whining when women, brown people and... basically everyone but white men have had the proverbial nuts kicked out of them for most of recorded history?


You had me cringing in my guts.

Well, I happen to agree with you. My struggles aren't less real because our ancestors built horrible social structures and mine happened to get the better deal. It can certainly be argued that we, as white males, are still benefiting today from those structures. I also agree that this is true in many cases.

Having someone put my misery in "Perspective" for me by pointing out that I'm not alone in it doesn't fix anything. If I'm facing a firing squad alone or with fifty others, I'm STILL fixnta get Shot..

But I challenge you to look at the faces of the people who actually are running the world into the ground right now... They are all rich, white, usually old men. It doesn't mean all people who fit this description are bad, not by a long shot, but when you're in charge, it becomes your fault and we happen to look like those who are at fault. (minus the old part for myself...)

It's so easy to make me guilty of what someone else is doing because I look like them... but I'm a bigot if , well, maybe I'm confused...

I believe these divisions based on race are really just a red herring that's snowballed because people crave ordering things into categories in our brains and skin color is pretty easy (though mostly meaningless).

Yeah, that's what we've been beaten over the head with. In a headlong rush toward multiculturalism we're been taught that people are the same on the inside. In some ways that is true. Some ways , I'm starting to seriously doubt it is. In desire to be free, yeah..
Tribalism is NATURAL. The social engineer has tried to beat that out of people. Like dropping food coloring into a bowl of water, the edges intermingle, and a new color happens. Maybe eventually it becomes homogeneous, but initially just an overlapping of the edges ,, and what is wrong with that?


If you want a good read look up Bacon's rebellion in 1676 (I think).

The cliff notes are indentured servants got together and rebelled against their rich employers/owners. The punchline is that the rebels were white, black, native and everything in between.

The rebellion failed and it resulted in the lords instituting the slavery laws that would define the next few hundred years of American racism. It was very effective because suddenly the white indentured servants could take pride that they weren't the bottom of the barrel anymore and the lords had successfully divided would-be rebels into division that had different castes and cultures.

When you read something or someone says something to you that sounds like an assault on you as a white male, don't bother arguing. Their comment may be badly worded or their anger misplaced, but their struggle is probably real just as your is. These ultra-sensitive kids making mountains out of nothing in highschool and college will graduate and have to enter the real world. They'll either grow out of it or they wont, but you or I certainly have no control over it. We just look like jerks if we try to insult them about it, so who cares. I'm certainly not going to hire a PC nazi and neither should you.

Seems everyone has a stump speech, have to point the finger at the "other" ones issues, etc, missing the wood in their own eye, as usual....  

However, I wasn't debating the facts of white male privilege.
I think that is pretty obvious.
Even to the point of thinking he could fix the problems of others, example the Black mans unjust position in life, only to tear the family apart, in doing so, etc.

I am referring back to how overt, and "normal" it was for the white man to govern, etc, yet, folks still wanted to come here and assimilate into this culture.
I too am old, and witnessed the late 2nd, and 3rd generations of a lot of these immigrants. I don't remember back then that they felt victimized, or entitled, more grateful for an opportunity, is what I saw in these families.

Does that help to understand my post?

What has changed?

LockeClone.....
Yes, the white male IS responsible for much of the wealth, etc.
America was a great experiment like no other.
I feel what is unique about her is that she is ever changing, show me that in any other civilization.
It doesn't exist.
Show me ANYONE who freely relinquishes their power or status.....
Just observe this board, folks extend their beliefs freely, as if it is by divine nature, their destiny, yet absolve themselves from the same scrutiny.....
Then I guess, as you remarked, find that willing accomplice, and multiple their belief by 10.
Guilty of the same sin, the White man exhibited, in his group think mentality and actions.

I think ALL believe their ideas best, and even honorable, but to instill them into a society, will require force.
I think democracy was designed with the hope of avoiding the dictates of the ruling class, etc, with electing of representation.....
However, my first level representative, after winning my vote with assurances to "local" matters, quickly gets forced into a party first mandate that only empowers those party leaders, much as the white man did when he was solely representing the powers of governing.

I see only one resolution to sustained civility, and peace, in a society.....
And that was what Mahatma Gandhi shared:

"Be the change you wish to see in the world"

I have a hard time finding it here on a small message board, let alone, in this present world.

Who shall go first?          

MHO - we all need to embrace the differences of others instead of condemning them for it.

easier to say, than do.......sadly.

I was using old white men as he is now the target of many.
Did you not understand my post and what it was referencing either?

How can I state it otherwise?
Why did folks come here if the old white man is akin to the devil?