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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #30 - 06/22/17 at 08:19:18
 
batman wrote on 06/20/17 at 09:35:00:
Do you have a stock petcock ?or is the float valve sticking ,or the level in the float bowl set to high? If you have gas in your oil,you may want to check your air filter and air box drain too.


I've changed to a Raptor. I replaced the oil and polished the inside surface of the float valve, still seems a bit rich but will not run without choke when cold. I think I had a #50 pilot somewhere which was fine before the HD muffler, would've tried that one if I'd find it, but no luck. Throttle response is fine, still some black smoke when releasing the throttle.

I measured the float level when I rebuilt the carb, was within some specs I found here. Here's the current situation:
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Reply #31 - 06/22/17 at 08:29:53
 
Is that tube touching the carb?
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Reply #32 - 06/22/17 at 08:34:23
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/22/17 at 08:29:53:
Is that tube touching the carb?


Yes.
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Reply #33 - 06/22/17 at 14:06:22
 
Your float Could be higher, but I don't know how it being set a bit low would affect the performance.
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If there IS a reason, someone will post it.
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #34 - 06/22/17 at 14:27:14
 
Float level should be at the seam between the float bowl and the carb body ,it's low. Stock jetting for the old DR650 is 52.5 pilot and 137.5 main ,that's why I think your 55 /155 is to big , 52.5 /150  may be  a better starting point.
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #35 - 06/22/17 at 14:49:34
 
should be...


Lower makes it leaner.
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Reply #36 - 06/22/17 at 18:18:52
 
Is there a
Readers Digest
Explanation for why it's leaner?
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #37 - 06/22/17 at 19:09:48
 
yes ,I'm also trying to figure out how lower makes it leaner.
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Reply #38 - 06/22/17 at 19:17:31
 
No, but there's Bernoullis Principle...
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1497304045

Fluid mechanics...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_mechanics

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The gas, she gotta go up a little further.
The further she gotta go, the less she will go.
If you give her a boost, she be fat and you be happy.
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #39 - 06/22/17 at 21:08:13
 
Vercy ,I think that's a stretch,the fuel in the bowl ,with it's straight sides has the same surface pressure (14.7psi)and the same surface area,. at it's present level as it does if the level was correct. and the carb is pulling the same vacuum.the difference in flow would be immeasurable .for example if you had a pipe 100 ft tall filled with water the pressure at the bottom would be about 60psi,the pressure 1/4 of an inch down would be 14.712psi ,so the difference in height in the level is twelve thousands of a pound ,and gas is lighter than water so will be even less.
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #40 - 06/22/17 at 22:37:29
 
don't ask me then... go do it.
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #41 - 06/23/17 at 02:25:53
 
batman wrote on 06/22/17 at 19:09:48:
yes ,I'm also trying to figure out how lower makes it leaner.


Adjusting the float level on the Savage isn't necessary on a stock motor with stock air cleaner and exhaust - the factory setting work just fine.  Adjusting the float level is however a common tuning practice on the CV carb, and the procedure is listed in most tuning guides for CV carbs.

Here is a quote from the Factory Pro jetting guide:

To get best low-end power, set float height (fuel level) so that the engine will accept full throttle, without missing or stumbling,  in 2nd gear from 1500 to 2000 rpm at minimum.

Float heights, unless otherwise specified in the installation guide, are measured from the "gasket surface" of the carb body to the highest part of the top of the float - with the float tang touching but not compressing the float valve spring.

If the engine has a "wet" rhythmic, soggy area at full throttle / 1500 to 2000, that gets worse as the engine heats up, lower the fuel level by resetting the float height 1mm greater (if the original was 13mm - go to 14mm). This will lower the fuel level, making full throttle / 1500 to 2000 leaner.

If the engine is "dry" and flat between 1500 to 2000 rpm, raise the fuel level.


http://factorypro.com/tech/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_carbtune,CV,lower_rp...

It should be noted that this adjustment is for "full throttle" use at low rpm - the float level adjustment doesn't have a lot of affect for the idle circuit.  (The situation where the float level has the most affect is when the throttle butterfly is fully open and the slide is only being partially opened by the engine vacuum).
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #42 - 06/23/17 at 20:30:41
 
What part of
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do you smart people not get?
I Think I got

Lower is leaner..

I'm thinking I am lean already.
Not bad,just enough to make less power at the top.
Izzat possible?
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #43 - 06/25/17 at 11:43:50
 
Dave,I don't really know if my bike has a "WET " OR "DRY" rhythmic area in 2nd gear @ 1500 to 2000 rpm ,@ 11 to 17 mph I'm not in 2nd gear or trying to  go to wide open throttle,nor do I think I could feel the difference lugging the motor that badly.Where this may apply to four cylinder race bikes I don't think you could use this tuning method on our thumpers . The pro was talking about float heights of 13-14 mm our float heigths range from 26.4 -29.4 mm ,I think we're talking apples and oranges here.Have you ever really used this method to set a CV carb?
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Re: Adjusting stock carb with modified engine
Reply #44 - 06/25/17 at 11:47:18
 
I noticed today that the bike idles way higher when rainwater cools the engine, so that suggests it's indeed rich on idle. No more black smoke after polishing the needle valve seat and the motor responses very well to throttle. I hope I'll get the second carb tomorrow, going to rebuild that with a 52,5 pilot jet and see if it has a working idle mixture screw  Cheesy
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