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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #15 - 05/11/17 at 18:39:34
 
Dave wrote on 05/11/17 at 17:46:53:
Maybe I am the weird one here - but I prefer to break in a rebuilt engine out on the road where the wind does the cooling, and I can vary the engine speed and applied loads to help ensure a proper seal on the piston rings, and enjoy the process.  I can't understand what is to be gained by putting miles on a stationary motorcycle.

(Are you sure you aren't Cheapnewb24 come back to haunt/taunt us?).



 I have no idea who Cheapnewb24 is, I just have a Savage as a thing to mess around with.  Easy to work on when I crash it.

 What I want to do is see if I can replicate the conditions that caused the front pulley bearings to squeal.  Its just easier to run it in a shop than to find/pay someone to go ride it around for a few days.  

 I see what you are saying about breaking the engine in but on this round I'm just looking at the pulleys/bearings/belt.  
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #16 - 05/11/17 at 18:43:50
 
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I just have a Savage as a thing to mess around with.  Easy to work on when I crash it


How many times have you crashed it?
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #17 - 05/11/17 at 18:56:46
 
oldNslow wrote on 05/11/17 at 18:43:50:
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I just have a Savage as a thing to mess around with.  Easy to work on when I crash it


How many times have you crashed it?



 3 at low speeds
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #18 - 05/11/17 at 19:04:06
 
Eegore wrote on 05/11/17 at 18:56:46:
oldNslow wrote on 05/11/17 at 18:43:50:
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I just have a Savage as a thing to mess around with.  Easy to work on when I crash it


How many times have you crashed it?



 3 at low speeds


Maybe you ought to take some of that money you don't mind spending on parts you may or may not need, and buy yourself a better helmet. I'm pretty sure that the squeaking noise your'e trying to fix is coming from between your ears.
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #19 - 05/11/17 at 20:42:13
 
Maybe a Motorcycle Safety Course !

Or

Ok I'll be nice , wow what restraint
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #20 - 05/11/17 at 20:47:37
 
Training wheels , don't your feet reach the ground ?

Crap , you all know I couldn't help myself !
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Reply #21 - 05/11/17 at 21:06:57
 
Ruttly,did you say OIL!(please don't get this guy started)We really don't know what planet he's from.
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #22 - 05/11/17 at 23:17:28
 
I don't have the technical knowledge of the other posters, however, I note that the handbook specifies that break in is over at 1600 miles at which point the theoretical 6500 maximum rpm can be used. I feel, with respect, that it may not be necessary to attempt 3000 miles on a stand. Surely any incompetently managed overhaul would show up faults in a thousand miles or less. As others have pointed out, the book specifies the need to vary rpm, so you will be continually standing by the bike to do this. You may in fact find it acceptable to do 500 miles on your stand. Easily accomplished in a day, provided you have a good supply of coffee, tea, alcohol, or whatever takes your fancy. you can then get 2500 miles of pleasure riding it, at a 70 mph cruising speed, this should take 35.714285 hours.
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #23 - 05/12/17 at 03:23:09
 
Eegore wrote on 05/11/17 at 18:39:34:
I have no idea who Cheapnewb24 is, I just have a Savage as a thing to mess around with.  Easy to work on when I crash it.


Cheapnewb24 was a member who chose to ignore the advice being given by the knowledgeable members of this forum - some of which have been riding and working on motorcycles for 50+ years, and have hundreds of thousands of miles in the saddle.  Instead he would overthink just about every issue.....and continue down his self guided path of destruction.  He started out with a running Savage, and converted it to a a pile of parts in a very short period of time - the proceeded to do the same with a dual sport bike he bought as a replacement for the damaged Savage.  

Here is an example of a Cheapnewb thread......4 pages on buying an oil filter.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1473183189/0

8 pages on why you should not trust a torque wrench:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1471280516/0

8 pages of using Rotella as fork oil....or mixing up his own:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1452127820/0

Until your engine is torn down and the cause of the squeal is found, you won't know what the problem is.....and running your bike on a lift won't reproduce any real work riding conditions as you can't create any loads....the engine will just be freewheeling.

Does your mechanic only provide a 24 hour guarantee on his work?
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #24 - 05/12/17 at 05:44:07
 
Oh boy, not another one? Where's the dislike button....
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #25 - 05/12/17 at 05:53:35
 

 I guess the difference between Cheapnewb and myself is he cared if the thing worked.

 As far as I know mechanics don't guarantee their work at all, but in fairness I've never asked and rarely use the same one.  It was just an exaggeration about running 3k in a day, I was just meaning to say its faster to run a bike on a stand than to pay someone to ride it.

 Looking at it now though it looks like I'm going to get better results to put it on the road and just send whoever out with some diagnostic tools and a logbook.  Theres a route going East that's 149 miles round-trip and is a mix of small town and 65mph 2-lane highway, so I might send someone that way.
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #26 - 05/12/17 at 06:28:01
 
Is there a reason why you don't ride it?
The Difference between you and CheapNewbie is
He Cared?
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #27 - 05/12/17 at 06:57:34
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/12/17 at 06:28:01:
Is there a reason why you don't ride it?
The Difference between you and CheapNewbie is
He Cared?


 I'm sure there are multiple similarities between Cheapnewbie and myself, however to me it seemed he really wanted that bike to run and go ride on, (I didnt read all his posts in detail though) where if I don't get this bike to run quiet I wont lose any sleep over it.

 I have the riding skills of a fruit bat, I'm not sure I'd make it 1000 miles without dropping the bike, and I'd like to minimize damage during the pulley/bearing/belt test.  Also its cheaper for me to pay someone than to take time to ride myself.
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #28 - 05/12/17 at 10:13:13
 
I'm getting this strange compulsion to watch a Three Stooges marathon this weekend. Huh Undecided Roll Eyes
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Re: Running bike on a lift long-term
Reply #29 - 05/12/17 at 12:54:20
 
Well, you chose a light , easy to handle bike, but one that has enough Grunt to save you from getting run over if you screw up and pull out when someone is coming. Depending on speed and distance, of course.
Is your schedule so unforgiving that you can't get away for a few hours?
You should probably buy some quality riding gear and Definitely take the Riders Safety Course.
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