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Reply #46 - 05/09/17 at 09:37:07

I'm very certain its the front pulley. If I kneel down between the two pulleys facing the belt I can hear noise from my left. (This is done outside not in a garage or enclosed echoing space)

If I lean in next to the pulley I hear squealing, if I move to the back pulley the noise dissipates, then gets louder as I move back towards the front pulley. My friend indicates the same, he never even considered the rear as a source of the noise actually. His girlfriend is just pissed we keep making it scream like crazy in their yard.

It doesn't make sense as you have stated which is why I was curious about it to begin with. I'll see what it sounds like with no belt.

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Reply #48 - 05/09/17 at 10:23:59

This is reminiscent of the CheapNewbie experience. Why ask THE single most knowledgeable group questions about a problem and not listen? He intends to keep the tire,which he understands means that the belt is too tight, and could wreck engine internals, which he has indicated to me via PM is something he's willing to accept.
Rather than drop tire sizes and gear up with pulleys, he's gonna fight the squeaking belt.

How close is the tire to rubbing the swingarm?
Get it as close as possible,,

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Re: Front pulley noise while applying throttle
Reply #50 - 05/09/17 at 12:36:37

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/09/17 at 10:23:59:

This is reminiscent of the CheapNewbie experience. Why ask THE single most knowledgeable group questions about a problem and not listen? He intends to keep the tire,which he understands means that the belt is too tight, and could wreck engine internals, which he has indicated to me via PM is something he's willing to accept.
Rather than drop tire sizes and gear up with pulleys, he's gonna fight the squeaking belt.

I'm not sure in what manner I'm not listening. ive checked belt tension and pulleys as indicated here, checked the tire and swingarm for rubbing and have prepared to replace bearings and driveshaft. Besides the tire there's not much else that I know of to check.

If keeping the tire means I only have to replace pulleys/bearings/belts periodically I'd rather have the tire, but I won't know unless I try it out after making changes.

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Re: Front pulley noise while applying throttle
Reply #52 - 05/09/17 at 13:04:24

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]I'm not sure in what manner I'm not listening. ive checked belt tension and pulleys as indicated here, checked the tire and swingarm for rubbing and have prepared to replace bearings and driveshaft. Besides the tire there's not much else that I know of to check.

If keeping the tire means I only have to replace pulleys/bearings/belts periodically I'd rather have the tire, but I won't know unless I try it out after making changes.

This is what you aren't listening to. Nobody has to PERIODICALLY replace pulleys, bearings( especially the bearing that supports the front pulley shaft) and belts on these bikes. Almost everyone rides them for many miles and many years and never replaces any of those things. And nobody spends 4 or five thousand dollars rebuilding a Savage motor.The cost of PERIODICALLY replacing those parts far exceeds the value of the motorcycle.

I tried to be tactful in my first response. This time I'm going to be blunt. If you need to replace all those parts even once, much less PERIODICALLY on a 1995 Savage, then the bike is junk and you would be far better off just replacing the entire motorcycle.

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Reply #54 - 05/09/17 at 14:19:57

Again Im fine replacing the parts periodically, I fully understand if anyone else isn't. Cost of parts, type and frequency really isn't important here, I am just making sure I am replacing everything to start off and then go from there.

As for belt alignment I thought I had posted that I checked it along with belt tension. I lifted the bike and hand spun the rear tire, I can not see an area where the belt touches either pulley on the sides. The only real test I did was place a business card between the belt and pulley and see if the belt ever "gripped" the card and it did not. I tried this rotating forward and reverse on both sides of both pulleys.

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Re: Front pulley noise while applying throttle
Reply #55 - 05/09/17 at 16:26:09

The first part you should change periodically is your hearing aid battery! the second is your tire.then proceed from there,the reason you hear more noise from the front pulley may be because it's smaller.The alignment of the rear may look good but you can't see it under load(with the bike running down the road) the rear pulley may be cocking when you apply more horse power ( like in third gear )you need to take things apart ,as I and others have suggested and really look for the problem!You don't rebuild the motor to fix a belt problem!You fix the belt!If you listen to someone ,other than yourself ,you may yet get this thing under control.

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Re: Front pulley noise while applying throttle
Reply #57 - 05/09/17 at 17:45:50

New part prices from one online vendor. There are other vendors, but the prices are similar.

Rear Pulley 411.98
Front Pulley 100.53
Belt 240.27
Bearing/
driveshaft 48.42
oil seal/
driveshaft 10.37
lockwasher for 1.64 should be replaced when nut is removed/reinstalled
driveshaft nut
cushions/hub 59.70 9.95 ea x 6

total 872.91 plus shipping

Those are the parts you are talking about periodically replacing. Even though you don't yet know if your noise is simply coming from a belt that can't be adjusted properly because your rear tire is too big.

From the same vendor:

Shinko 712 140/90 15 tire 65.72 plus shipping

This tire is a little bigger than the oem tire, but a lot of people use it, or another brand of the same size. It fits. I have one on my bike as a matter of fact.

Good luck.

p.s. there is a bearing in the rear pulley hub that I forgot. probably another 20-30 bucks. I'm not going to go back and look it up.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Front pulley noise while applying throttle Reply #58 - 05/09/17 at 17:49:54 Belt 240.27 The cost of not simply Removing the belt, which is PART OF replacing All those I'll just replace the parts later Parts! Newbie lives.
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batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: Front pulley noise while applying throttle Reply #59 - 05/09/17 at 19:40:57 yeah ,stick a fork in me I'm done!
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