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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Book of the Week 04/02/17 at 15:42:52 Tragedy of The Commons Search that, interesting concept http://www.amerika.org/tag/virtue-signaling/ Explains so much, where the drive to be one of the crowd,comes from, What not being one of the crowd is like being friends with the outcast.
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Re: Book of the Week
Reply #1 - 04/02/17 at 20:22:23

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tragedy of The Commons
Search that, interesting concept

You're right. I hadn't heard of that. I just finished the Wikipedia article.

Interesting discussion on how best to balance individual rights vs. the rights of an entire community when dealing with access to a possibly sustainable but finite resource that, theoretically at least, belongs to everyone.

I know where I instinctively fall on those scales - heavily on the side of individual rights, but I can see the dilemma, and I'm not sure that I'm entirely justified in that view in all possible situations where the resource is susceptible to being degraded to the the point where everyone loses.

What is the best mechanism for insuring that the parasite doesn't kill the host and by so doing kill itself ?

Unless of course the host, or resource, we're talking about is simply money. In that case there is no dilemma.

We simply keep creating it out of thin air as we have been doing, and everyone lives happily ever after.

That'll work. Right?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Book of the Week Reply #2 - 04/03/17 at 07:05:27 Ohh, yeah, absolutely,, and a quick look at our ever shrinking GDP would support that. Open borders and trade deals that cut our throats and importing Rapefugees will Surely save us.
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oldNslow Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2679 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: Book of the Week Reply #3 - 04/03/17 at 17:32:17 Quote: ... importing Rapefugees will Surely save us. I posted this link a while ago. As far as I can tell it was completely ignored. I think that's a shame. It's a novel,' a satire, a parable I suppose. Unfortunately it's also quite prophetic I believe. http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf
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Re: Book of the Week
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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/02/17 at 15:42:52:

Tragedy of The Commons
Search that, interesting concept
http://www.amerika.org/tag/virtue-signaling/
Explains so much, where the drive to be one of the crowd,comes from, What not being one of the crowd is like being friends with the outcast.

That was EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!!!

Just One of the good parts:
" Now for the “Success for me, but not for thee” part: at the same time these people are using liberalism to advance themselves and push down others, they are also using it to conceal their greatest secret. If they are succeeding, it is with conservative methods and principles, but they must hide these because they are unpopular, so like the politician kissing babies they make a big public show of liberalism, and then in private, act as conservative as possible."

It's just to bad, T&T, and like, won't read it !

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Book of the Week Reply #5 - 04/03/17 at 19:17:57 The message is developed over those several topics, then summarized. I was happy with the time invested and what I got out of it.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Book of the Week Reply #6 - 04/04/17 at 08:48:03 And who bothered to read it? Not the ones who so desperately need to.
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 5825 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Book of the Week Reply #7 - 04/04/17 at 11:11:14 would be sad if it wasn't so stupid
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Book of the Week Reply #8 - 04/04/17 at 11:49:56 Which was it? Tried to read it, couldn't understand it? Scanned it, didn't see any comfortable talking points? Where is it stupid? Go ahead, critique it.
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Re: Book of the Week
Reply #9 - 04/04/17 at 16:59:57

Their are some people that will spend 10 min, watching a video on ‘u-tub’.

Their are some people that will spend 15 min, watching a ‘feed’, on FB.

Their are some people that will spend 20 Min, watching, a a, ‘wheel’, spin on a TV show.

Their are some people that will spend 30 min, watching, a ’sit com, re-run’ on TV.

But spend, 40 Min, reading, going back, making notes, reading again ?????

NA, To Hard !!!!!!!!!!!

So used to the, ’15 SECOND”, Sound Bites.

Just can’t, ‘read’, something, and offer a comment,
(Even a different one, who cares)
Because they do, NOT, read it, understand it, have experienced it.

Hey, it’s not a, “SOUND- BITE”.

So just drive by, toss out a, (un-thinking), Comment.
and then Ignore.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Book of the Week Reply #10 - 04/04/17 at 18:22:42 It confirmed some of my thinking and opened up new lines of thinking. Insightful , powerful and, apparently not worth reading for some. Maybe it hits too close to home..
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Re: Book of the Week
Reply #11 - 04/04/17 at 19:11:56

oldNslow wrote on 04/03/17 at 17:32:17:

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... importing Rapefugees will Surely save us.

I posted this link a while ago. As far as I can tell it was completely ignored. I think that's a shame. It's a novel,' a satire, a parable I suppose. Unfortunately it's also quite prophetic I believe.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf

It's not a, 'Sound-Bite',
So the 'Progressives/Liberals, and many of the DNC', will NOT,
take the time to read it.

Unless, CNN, decides to, 'Spin/Sound-Bite', it.
the Stand in the Street CRIERS, will Not Read it

(Well, that is 'guessing', they can actually read)

WAIT,
If, (one of the a fore mentioned people), 'Scan', that link.
Their will be a, 'Drive By' Comment.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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Re: Book of the Week
Reply #12 - 04/04/17 at 20:09:33

Well, lotsa social-babble. It clearly is the case that overpopulation will cause increased competition for ever smaller resources. What normally has happened is that War, or Plague sweeps in and eliminates a significant % of the population. Society breaks down for a while and then a new order takes power. The deforestation of South America and Central Africa offers, to many, the greatest potential for bringing forth a new disease that will kill off most humans. To understand the global warming folks, you would then accept their premise that much of the presently inhabited land will be submerged as the ice caps melt and the oceans rise. This will pit habitable land use versus agricultural land use; especially if the rise in the oceans re ice also mean salinity of the oceans change enough to destroy much of the life (our food) that lives there.
Sounds like good time ahead. Shocked

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Re: Book of the Week
Reply #13 - 04/04/17 at 20:36:12

MnSpring wrote on 04/04/17 at 19:11:56:

oldNslow wrote on 04/03/17 at 17:32:17:

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... importing Rapefugees will Surely save us.

I posted this link a while ago. As far as I can tell it was completely ignored. I think that's a shame. It's a novel,' a satire, a parable I suppose. Unfortunately it's also quite prophetic I believe.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdfs/camp_of_the_saints.pdf

It's not a, 'Sound-Bite',
So the 'Progressives/Liberals, and many of the DNC', will NOT,
take the time to read it.

Unless, CNN, decides to, 'Spin/Sound-Bite', it.
the Stand in the Street CRIERS, will Not Read it

(Well, that is 'guessing', they can actually read)

WAIT,
If, (one of the a fore mentioned people), 'Scan', that link.
Their will be a, 'Drive By' Comment.

It's not that long as books go. Just over a hundred pages.But it packs a lot of interesting ideas into those pages. The most astonishing thing to me is that it was written in 1973. 44 years ago. Almost like Raspail could see the future.

Anyone giving it a "quick scan" looking for a sound bite will miss a lot, I think.

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Re: Book of the Week
Reply #14 - 04/04/17 at 20:49:22

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Society breaks down for a while and then a new order takes power.

Last time anything like that happened on a large scale in the US was during and in the aftermath of the War between the States .Particularly, but not exclusively, in the South. And most folks were a lot more self sufficient back in those days. There is no one born in this country alive today that has experienced anything remotely similar.

Gonna be quite a shock to a whole lot of people.

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