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Reply #15 - 02/04/17 at 12:11:45

SAE wrote the original changes that made oils a better match up for catalytic converters and sensors. This was the SL oil generation and it was reasonable enough. Then EPA started to jump in with their "environmental" stuff and imposed both SECRECY and much tighter this and that backed by fines against the motor oil industry.

Yes, EPA needs to be culled back like kudzu vines. And yes, EPA apparently gives a fumerous dump about our antique split actuator flat tappet engine.

And Suzuki is a bit odd too, currently saying for you to use SF or SG motor oils in the owners manual, oils that haven't been available for over a score of years now .....

And for ACTUALLY SELLING people "Suzuki Oil" a SN grade car oil that is bad for the cam lobes and tappets on a brand newly sold Savage bike engine.

And for not having redesigned the head itself like Honda and Harley both did, to use a roller tappet arrangement that can take the current lower oil barrier film loads.

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Reply #16 - 02/04/17 at 12:59:13

I was trying to sort out the proper ratio of redline zddp booster to add at every oil change and ended up with a migraine headache. I'm just trying to figure out how much to add to 2 quarts of JASO MA oil that is bottled with Zinc level of approximately 900ppm? Basically how much Redline booster do I add to every oil change? Thank you.

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Kenny G Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com The Singles Club...LOL Posts: 1754 Robson Ranch, Denton, Texas Gender:	Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified? Reply #17 - 02/04/17 at 13:07:07 Buster, I use Rotela T6 I add a 1/2 ounce of RedLine at every oil change. I think Dave had it posted here on the forum at one time. Kenny G
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12647 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified? Reply #18 - 02/04/17 at 13:16:10 Buster, read this in the Tech Section. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345080430 We fix this table every time new oil formulations come out.
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Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified?
Reply #19 - 02/04/17 at 13:36:05

And be aware that More is not only Not Better, it's downright destructive. The article I linked gives the percentages that are helpful and the percentage that starts to cause spalling. The cam is not a particularly hardy thing. We've seen pictures of some appalling spalling. Was it due to an accidental OD of ZDDP or crummy materials or something else? Since the cams in question were found in used bikes recently bought, the history can't be known. That's how I remember it, if anyone has a different story, please share.

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Reply #20 - 02/04/17 at 13:41:22

Buster wrote on 02/04/17 at 12:59:13:

I was trying to sort out the proper ratio of redline zddp booster to add at every oil change and ended up with a migraine headache. I'm just trying to figure out how much to add to 2 quarts of JASO MA oil that is bottled with Zinc level of approximately 900ppm? Basically how much Redline booster do I add to every oil change? Thank you.

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Reply #21 - 02/04/17 at 13:51:30

I realize the mixture table is based on Rotella oil, so my question may have been a hijack, but oil I wanted to use usually shows a VOA of 800-900ppm zinc. Wonder if adding 1 ounce at every oil change would be okay? Guess I could add 1/2 ounce to quart bottle, shake vigorously, and send off sample in a VOA test kit. Or just use Rotella and be done with it.

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Reply #22 - 02/04/17 at 14:12:09

convert parts per million to percentage

ppm to percent conversion calculator. ppm to percent, number conversion calculator. Enter a number in ppm and press the Convert button: Enter ppm: ppm. Percent result: ...
How to convert ppm to percent. 1% = 1/100. 1ppm = 1/1000000. So. 1ppm = 0.0001% ...
ppm to percent conversion table. ppm. Percent (%) 0 ppm. 0%

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Reply #23 - 02/04/17 at 16:22:00

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/04/17 at 14:12:09:

convert parts per million to percentage

ppm to percent conversion calculator. ppm to percent, number conversion calculator. Enter a number in ppm and press the Convert button: Enter ppm: ppm. Percent result: ...
How to convert ppm to percent. 1% = 1/100. 1ppm = 1/1000000. So. 1ppm = 0.0001% ...
ppm to percent conversion table. ppm. Percent (%) 0 ppm. 0%

Okay that just sent me running for another Imitrex. I did it this way: 16 ounce straight bottle has a total of 17,000ppm. Divided that into 16 increments and since I thought about trying 1 ounce per oil change using oil tested at 898ppm...I think it ends up being 1429ppm Zinc in the engine. I think.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified? Reply #24 - 02/04/17 at 17:43:15 I recently read the new ZDDP level dropped from 1250 to 1050. I still like rotella; although, I will be adding some additive for sure now. Best regards,
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12647 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified? Reply #25 - 02/05/17 at 13:48:04 Guys, the bump tables were fixed as per the last Rotella reformulation, so you don't need to do any guesswork. We will fix them again just as soon as some real facts are known.
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Reply #26 - 02/05/17 at 14:10:14

Dave wrote on 02/04/17 at 07:53:59:

I have come to the conclusion that the EPA is not concerned about the damage caused to your "non-compliant" outboard, mower, chainsaw or farm tractor. The EPA would prefer that you stop using these old pieces of equipment, and go buy the new stuff that is EPA compliant.

It is my belief that the folks writing these "laws" are not in touch with the reality of what it takes to run a farm or eek out an existence on the fringe of bankruptcy and starvation.

Don't apologize! I agree! I LOVE the old 2-stroke Lawn Boy Mowers as they ran great, and almost all parts are still available. I have purchased many for $5.00 and with a little expense, they run great. All my push mower work is done by a mower that is over 45 years old and runs great. Just mix the oil and go!

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Papa Bear Senior Member Offline Posts: 476 Canada ... near the Motor City Gender:	Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified? Reply #27 - 03/29/17 at 18:40:34 I just noticed this over at BITOG. Might be just the ticket for you high ZDDP guys. Delvac 1 SHC 5w-40 https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3784398/2
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified? Reply #28 - 03/29/17 at 19:40:18 I just wanna know how much RedLine to add to a gallon. Gotta protect the backhoe..too.
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12647 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: The new Rotella's - Zddp been verified? Reply #29 - 03/29/17 at 22:12:41 As per the bump table --- one ounce of Redline per gallon.
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