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12/11/16 at 15:14:17
 
from the washington post
our prez elect:
"nobody really knows if climate change is real"

soo he nominates a climate change doubter to run the epa

FACT (look it up)
the  10 warmest years started in 1998 since records have been kept in 1880
the contention is man has not contributed to what may be a natural cycle that we don't comprehend

if you doubt we are having an affect fire up your car in your garage with the doors closed

im relieved the we may have a man @ epa that will protect us FROM the environment

yes we need jobs yes we can compete in the manufacturing sector
and yes we can do it without adding more pollution
okay off my soapbox
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Reply #1 - 12/11/16 at 15:55:43
 
When you can tell me man was responsible for melting the ice age, I will believe supposition as fact.

I am not saying we shouldn't do within our powers to clean up our mess, investigate better energy sources, etc...

But until you can prove it as fact, not theory, your belief is no more valid than that of mine, believing God holds all the answers, and is a away better, sustainable lifestyle, upon how we should ALL live.  Grin

I bet you won't agree, but hey, that's the nature of beliefs....
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Reply #2 - 12/11/16 at 16:21:28
 
Europe has evidence of orchards North of today's Northern limit.
The world was covered in glaciers. Great lakes were discussed in geography. Whose SUV caused THAT climate change?
The Dire warnings started so long ago.
Why, Florida was gonna just get HAMMERED!
Bigger, meaner, MORE hurricanes.
Florida goes ten years, phhht, nuthin.

Perhaps a study of the SUN would be beneficial.
It seems to be responsible for, well, our climate.
Perpetually wrong and never in doubt.
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Reply #3 - 12/11/16 at 16:43:58
 
http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm

I remember being confused when
They
announced that the weather stations out in the national forests were being shut down, replaced by New stations, on rooftops, by runways, near air conditioning exhausts..
Gee, why did the temperature go up?
The emails from Climate Gate.

How many times do people have to get lied to before they wise up?
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Reply #4 - 12/11/16 at 17:45:17
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-wa...


Lots of inconvenient realities to consider.
Not that I expect anyone to READ anything...
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Reply #5 - 12/11/16 at 18:02:58
 
thumperclone wrote on 12/11/16 at 15:14:17:
" ... soo he nominates a climate change doubter to run the epa ..."


(Climate  Change, as,  Man is  Responsible)
Started off as,  ‘Global  Warming”
Now, it is,  ‘Climate Change”.
Both are, Correct !

But here, is where  the, ‘al gore’ types, are  jumping in.
on the LACK  of  Knowledge, about the Issue.
And,  Crying, (the equivalent of, racist)
“Well then you are all for   POLLUTION”

First issue;  ‘warming’,  a-Yea, we are  STILL  coming out of the last  ICE Age !
Next, ‘change’;  What part of,  BILLIONS  of  Years, of this  spaceship, changing it’s land masses, and climate, do you not understand.

(I  Remember, 30 + years ago,  the, ’scientists’ screaming that another, “Ice  Age” was coming)
Also  remember, a  Bridge,  (which Fell Down),  which, most, ’scientists and engineers’, said was good.
(Only a  few said,  No, that won’t work long term)
And after it fell.    NOT A  SINGLE ONE, (who said it would work),  COULD BE  FOUND !!!!!!!!!!
NOT A  SINGLE  ONE   !!!!!!!!

Now the third;  ‘Pollution”.
Just  because, someone says, “No, Man, (or his  Cows,  as  Calf), is  NOT, causing  ‘Climate Change’.”
Does  NOT, make  true.
The ‘other’ group,  (and their  parrots), saying,  “Well then, you are FOR   Pollution!”

Gee,  do you remember the EPA,   KILLING  a  River, The Wildlife In, and around that River,
And altering 100’s of thousands, Domestic stock and residents?
Remember !!!!!!!!
But,  NARY a  word about it.  
(EPA is good)    LOLOLOLOLOLLOOO

YES,  do, keep doing, what is good, for everybody on this  Planet.
Which  does,   NOT,  include,  gores  CFL’s, and  ‘Carbon Taxes’.
In fact, the  Mercury in landfills, ‘was’  decreasing.
UNTIL,  gore’s,  ‘pushing’  CFL’s, and because, HE  pushed them,
after they wore out, people just threw them in the garbage.
CFL =  Compact  Florescent Light.   (FULL OF   MERCURY)
Mercury  Content in the last 10 years,   in lakes, rivers, ground water, landfills,
has   Risen !!!!!   (al gore’s CFL’s)

(Hint, buy  LED’s !@)
60  Watt  Incandescent light bulb, 860  Lumens  (Uses  60  Watts)
A  LED,  ,  830  Lumens.  (uses  8  Watts)
20,   60  watt, light bulbs, 1,200  WATTS.
20,  (60 watt equivalent), LED’s,  160  WATTS.
(Which uses  more   Coal  to make  Electric ?)

See,  All The people, that  KNOW,   GW/CC, is   a  Joke.
(As a  Political talking point)
Are,  NOT, “Pollution is  OK”.


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #6 - 12/11/16 at 18:07:22
 
you all have points BUT

deny my car in the garage
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Reply #7 - 12/11/16 at 18:21:13
 
thumperclone wrote on 12/11/16 at 18:07:22:
you all have points BUT

But   What  ?????

Because  someone,  KNOWS,  the,  ‘Climate  Change’
 Is  JUST THAT,
Which has been  Happening for  Billions of  Years!

But  they;   “Are in favor of  Pollution” ??????

Because  al gore and his  CFL’s,  say so ???????

" ... deny my car in the garage ..."


OK,  a,  'Cave Man', in a  Cave,  Several  Thousand  Years ago.
Started a  fire in the mouth of the cave.

Gee,  what   Happened,  did the Cave GET warmer ??????

OMG,  It's  the   'CAVE  MANS'  Fault   !!!!!!!!


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #8 - 12/11/16 at 18:24:35
 
Oh  Yea,  your  gonna  say,  ‘Carbon  Dioxide’.

Did I say,  in the,  ‘FRONT’, of the Cave???????

Because,  EVEN,  the  CAVE  man knew, it he built a  fire,
in the BACK  of the Cave, he would not wake up.
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Reply #9 - 12/11/16 at 19:16:52
 
thumperclone wrote on 12/11/16 at 18:07:22:
you all have points BUT

deny my car in the garage


Buy a battery power car then and run it in your garage....
If that is your fancy, HOWEVER, now, that you can breath, how will you rid yourself of a spent battery?
You going to trade earth, over air?

BTW, God is the only power source that is self generating, he needs no other input, the real perpetual motion being  Grin
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Reply #10 - 12/11/16 at 23:08:01
 
thumperclone wrote on 12/11/16 at 18:07:22:
you all have points BUT

deny my car in the garage


2]you all have points BUT

You mean like the little details lik

The world was covered in ice, glaciers scooped out the Great Lakes, and, ALL that ice disappeared without a Frisbee factory or a Suburban spewing crap.

The Sun isn't a light bulb. Its output changes.

Those Martians better curtail their pollution.


Mars is Melting | Science Mission Directorate
NASA (.gov) › science › science-at-nasa
Aug 7, 2003 - The south polar ice cap of Mars is receding, revealing frosty mountains, rifts and curious dark spots.

Who we gonna blame that on?

I'm so tired of laughing at the

The sea is rising!
Uhhh, really?


Deny your car.
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Reply #11 - 12/12/16 at 04:44:44
 
thumper, the proportion of your car to the garage makes your analuseless.

look, of course no one denies greenhouse effect is real, that's why we have greenhouses of course. the question is are humans putting enough gases into the atmosphere to SIGNIFICANTLY change the climate? that's not a slam dunk answer. a very short 15,000 years ago, you could not take a boat on the great lakes because they weren't there yet, they were still a glacier.

point is, of course every year is warmer than the year before, it has to be. now, are we speeding that up too much and can we do anything about it? as technology moves forward, we'll naturally evolve to differ, cleaner energy sources. my problem is, climate change has been politicized and turn into a giant business. honestly has long ago left that barn...
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Reply #12 - 12/12/16 at 05:39:35
 
if  a politician can benefit from IT
IT gets politicized
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Reply #13 - 12/12/16 at 07:24:42
 
No worries,... we can trash the planet all we want, and God will fix it...
Like he does everything else... Undecided
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Reply #14 - 12/12/16 at 13:42:13
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/12/16 at 07:24:42:
No worries,... we can trash the planet all we want, and God will fix it...
Like he does everything else... Undecided


Hey, I think you stumbled on to sumtin.....
Politicians must think they are God and can fix everything by implementing the right policies and promoting the right beliefs.
Golly, they should teach that in school!
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