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Bye, bye, miss american pie......
11/12/16 at 08:41:47

WOW, just WOW......

New York Times publisher vows to 'rededicate' paper to reporting honestly

The publisher of The New York Times penned a letter to readers Friday promising that the paper would “reflect” on its coverage of this year’s election while rededicating itself to reporting on “America and the world” honestly.

Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr., the paper’s embattled publisher, appealed to Times readers for their continued support.

“We cannot deliver the independent, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our subscribers,” the letter states.

New York Post columnist and former Times reporter Michael Goodwin wrote, "because it (The Times) demonized Trump from start to finish, it failed to realize he was onto something. And because the paper decided that Trump’s supporters were a rabble of racist rednecks and homophobes, it didn’t have a clue about what was happening in the lives of the Americans who elected the new president.

Sulzbergers letter was released after the paper’s public editor, Liz Spayd, took the paper to task for its election coverage. She pointed out how its polling feature Upshot gave Hillary Clinton an 84 percent chance as voters went to the polls.

She compared stories that the paper ran about President-elect Donald Trump and Clinton, where the paper made Clinton look functional and organized and the Trump discombobulated.

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Donald J. Trump arrived for a rally in Raleigh, N.C., on Monday.
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As Times editors reflect on how they (and so many others) called the election so wrong, they should look at how well they cover ordinary Americans.
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Spayd wrote, “Readers are sending letters of complaint at a rapid rate. Here’s one that summed up the feelings succinctly, from Kathleen Casey of Houston: “Now, that the world has been upended and you are all, to a person, in a state of surprise and shock, you may want to consider whether you should change your focus from telling the reader what and how to think, and instead devote yourselves to finding out what the reader (and nonreaders) actually think.”

She wrote about another reader who asked that the paper should focus on the electorate instead of “pushing the limited agenda of your editors.”

“Please come down from your New York City skyscraper and join the rest of us.”

Sulzberger—who insisted that the paper covered both candidates fairly-- also sent a note to staffers on Friday reminding the newsroom to “give the news impartially, without fear or favor.”

“But we also approach the incoming Trump administration without bias,” he said

Why am I hearing Don McLean singing in my head while thinking, "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!"

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Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie......
Reply #1 - 11/12/16 at 18:24:16

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New York Times publisher vows to 'rededicate' paper to reporting honestly

Uh, Huh,

"The checks in the mail. I'll still respect you in the morning, I promise not to---------- mouth. etc"

I suppose he is entitled to the benefit of the doubt. I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen though.

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Sulzberger—who insisted that the paper covered both candidates fairly-- also sent a note to staffers on Friday reminding the newsroom to “give the news impartially, without fear or favor.”

A "reminder". Yeah, that ought to do it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #2 - 11/13/16 at 12:01:13

Ya know I find it way easier to say I'm sorry after I am caught with my hand in the cookie jar......
Than admitting it forthrightly, "Yeah dear, I ate another cookie, heck, three more, and just wanted to let you know, so when you go grab another one you will know why it seems some are missing......" Grin

NY Times, you know desease spreads faster there!

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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie...... Reply #3 - 11/13/16 at 14:09:58 I don't care about the NY Times either way, so this is just a reaction to your title don't worry, Trump will grab it....
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Reply #4 - 11/14/16 at 19:53:32

There are a few points you're missing, LA,..
The lies, the bias,the attempt Not to Report the news, but to Shape the future by convincing the Dumbmasses that Trump CAN'T win, Trump is not even serious, Trump is gonna drop out, etc.. All the BS, intended to drive votes away from Trump,,

ALL OF IT was done by nearly every media outlet.
You don't have to care about the one paper.
That's Such a Great Way to shrug and walk away from the understanding that
Our Media is nothing more than an organ of the globalists.

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Reply #5 - 11/15/16 at 06:31:32

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/14/16 at 19:53:32:

There are a few points you're missing, LA,..
The lies, the bias,the attempt Not to Report the news, but to Shape the future by convincing the Dumbmasses that Trump CAN'T win, Trump is not even serious, Trump is gonna drop out, etc.. All the BS, intended to drive votes away from Trump,,

ALL OF IT was done by nearly every media outlet.
You don't have to care about the one paper.
That's Such a Great Way to shrug and walk away from the understanding that
Our Media is nothing more than an organ of the globalists.

oh I'm sure I'm missing a lot of points, and you might be right that INDIVIDUALLY they all kind of acted the same, but there was no collusion behind that, it's just that they are all the same kind of people, because that's what their market has wanted, now that might be changing but the inertia over the last 100+ years is hard to change.

oh, let's give the NYT some credit, they also BROKE the Clinton email server scandal. they reported Comey's letter, they did report on things that hurt Clinton too

it must be so nice to have a nameless, faceless, evil to blame for everything, "the globalists" trust me, newspapers are the LEAST globalists business model you can find, they deliver Locally, some have a national reach, but very few are international. as ALWAYS rich people do what rich people do, work for their own interests, you praise that in a free market but condemn it in them, deal with that first before you start talking to me about conspiracies

oh, I understand our media highly underserves the public, but that's because capitalism rewards lazy, easy stories and entertainment, this is more a reflection of what you get with lazy media than corrupt media

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9011 Minn Gender:	Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie...... Reply #6 - 11/15/16 at 08:24:33 I believe, a 'Lazy' person, would be called a Socialist.
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Reply #7 - 11/16/16 at 08:03:21

LostArtist wrote on 11/15/16 at 06:31:32:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/14/16 at 19:53:32:

There are a few points you're missing, LA,..
The lies, the bias,the attempt Not to Report the news, but to Shape the future by convincing the Dumbmasses that Trump CAN'T win, Trump is not even serious, Trump is gonna drop out, etc.. All the BS, intended to drive votes away from Trump,,

ALL OF IT was done by nearly every media outlet.
You don't have to care about the one paper.
That's Such a Great Way to shrug and walk away from the understanding that
Our Media is nothing more than an organ of the globalists.

oh I'm sure I'm missing a lot of points, and you might be right that INDIVIDUALLY they all kind of acted the same, but there was no collusion behind that, it's just that they are all the same kind of people, because that's what their market has wanted, now that might be changing but the inertia over the last 100+ years is hard to change.

oh, let's give the NYT some credit, they also BROKE the Clinton email server scandal. they reported Comey's letter, they did report on things that hurt Clinton too

it must be so nice to have a nameless, faceless, evil to blame for everything, "the globalists" trust me, newspapers are the LEAST globalists business model you can find, they deliver Locally, some have a national reach, but very few are international. as ALWAYS rich people do what rich people do, work for their own interests, you praise that in a free market but condemn it in them, deal with that first before you start talking to me about conspiracies

oh, I understand our media highly underserves the public, but that's because capitalism rewards lazy, easy stories and entertainment, this is more a reflection of what you get with lazy media than corrupt media

I should believe you?
Why?

You go read what Rockefeller THANKED the media FOR.
Come back and tell me again about the media Wanting you to know..

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Reply #8 - 11/16/16 at 11:31:44

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/16/16 at 08:03:21:

LostArtist wrote on 11/15/16 at 06:31:32:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/14/16 at 19:53:32:

There are a few points you're missing, LA,..
The lies, the bias,the attempt Not to Report the news, but to Shape the future by convincing the Dumbmasses that Trump CAN'T win, Trump is not even serious, Trump is gonna drop out, etc.. All the BS, intended to drive votes away from Trump,,

ALL OF IT was done by nearly every media outlet.
You don't have to care about the one paper.
That's Such a Great Way to shrug and walk away from the understanding that
Our Media is nothing more than an organ of the globalists.

oh I'm sure I'm missing a lot of points, and you might be right that INDIVIDUALLY they all kind of acted the same, but there was no collusion behind that, it's just that they are all the same kind of people, because that's what their market has wanted, now that might be changing but the inertia over the last 100+ years is hard to change.

oh, let's give the NYT some credit, they also BROKE the Clinton email server scandal. they reported Comey's letter, they did report on things that hurt Clinton too

it must be so nice to have a nameless, faceless, evil to blame for everything, "the globalists" trust me, newspapers are the LEAST globalists business model you can find, they deliver Locally, some have a national reach, but very few are international. as ALWAYS rich people do what rich people do, work for their own interests, you praise that in a free market but condemn it in them, deal with that first before you start talking to me about conspiracies

oh, I understand our media highly underserves the public, but that's because capitalism rewards lazy, easy stories and entertainment, this is more a reflection of what you get with lazy media than corrupt media

I should believe you?
Why?

You go read what Rockefeller THANKED the media FOR.
Come back and tell me again about the media Wanting you to know..

I ask you the same question, why should I believe you?

my statement above is just a statement about basic human nature, and how it is rewarded in media, but maybe we have a very different view on what is "basic human nature" yours is suspicious, mine is giving the benefit of the doubt.

where did I say anything about the media wanting you to know anything? they want ratings to advertise, that's it. that's capitalism in the media

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie...... Reply #9 - 11/16/16 at 15:53:33 Why would honesty destroy revenue? Benefit of the doubt was how I lived. Eventually, they removed the doubt. You cling to the non committal, mamby pamby crap. Rockefeller THANKED THE MEDIA for N o t Telling US the truth..
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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie...... Reply #10 - 11/16/16 at 16:01:11 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/16/16 at 15:53:33: Why would honesty destroy revenue? Benefit of the doubt was how I lived. Eventually, they removed the doubt. You cling to the non committal, mamby pamby crap. Rockefeller THANKED THE MEDIA for N o t Telling US the truth.. drama sells, not honesty
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie...... Reply #11 - 11/16/16 at 17:07:46 Well, buy the lies then. It's easy to say what you said, but when was truth TRIED? Show me the study.
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie...... Reply #12 - 11/16/16 at 17:27:57 You guys argue of semantics. NEWS, has become news, as it creates news.... A real baby and the bath water scenario.
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9011 Minn Gender:	Re: Bye, bye, miss american pie...... Reply #13 - 11/16/16 at 17:43:34 “””News Flash””” “Breaking News’ Edward R. Morrow,’s , Body, is about to break through to the Other Side of the Earth !
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