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LostArtist Ex Member	are you sure you're blaming the right people???? 10/12/16 at 09:33:55
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28766 L.A. California Gender:	Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people?? Reply #1 - 10/12/16 at 09:49:12 Now you're blaming republican's for obamma care?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28376 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people?? Reply #2 - 10/12/16 at 10:18:12 I would,... "Obamacare" is an idea originating from a Right-Wing think tank, and was supported by Repub's... If Obama had been able to pass what he wanted, we'd have a National Health like every other civilized nation in the world...
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badwolf Serious Thumper Offline Ridin' my Lil' Bagger - 153k miles so far Posts: 793 Palm Beach County, FL Gender:	Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people?? Reply #3 - 10/12/16 at 10:29:08 '' I would,... "Obamacare" is an idea originating from a Right-Wing think tank, and was supported by Repub's... If Obama had been able to pass what he wanted, we'd have a National Health like every other civilized nation in the world... '' What world are you living on???
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12849 Gender:	Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people?? Reply #4 - 10/12/16 at 10:57:26 if there were a town called RealityVille USA, Sew would live on the opposite side of the world. in his town, if you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough it becomes reality like the exaggerated story about Obamacare being a widely supported Republican idea. Obamacare will destroy future healthcare.
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Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Reply #5 - 10/12/16 at 12:07:26

Not a single Republican in either the House or the Senate voted for Obamacare. One Republican Senator did not vote, but a yes or no vote from him wouldn't have made any difference.

The Republicans did not have a majority in the house until the midterms after obamacare was already law.

So, yeah, it was their fault. 'cause they didn't have the votes top stop it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - 10/12/16 at 13:07:58

"Obamacare" is the result of millions of dollars spent by health care insurance lobbyist to craft the "Affordable Care Act" in a manner that would best suit the health insurance industry. BUT "We have the very best government that money can buy". (Party labels, i.e. Democrat or Republican, make NO difference.) Shocked

Harry Truman pushed for universal health care as part his same program that integrated the Armed Forces in 1949. Cool

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Reply #7 - 10/12/16 at 13:37:49

read up...

You are correct in that no Pube's voted for it,.. even though it was their own idea, and they thought it was great until Obama proposed it...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-...
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If there’s one thing conservatives might hate more than Obamacare, it’s hearing that Obamacare springs from Republican ideas. The Heritage Foundation, the granddaddy of the right-wing think tanks, fumed when President Barack Obama said it was the source of the concept of the health insurance marketplaces where people could shop for the best deal. (We rated Obama's claim Mostly True.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Back...
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An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[112] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems.

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Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Reply #8 - 10/12/16 at 13:54:59

Serowbot wrote on 10/12/16 at 13:37:49:

read up...

You are correct in that no Pube's voted for it,.. even though it was their own idea, and they thought it was great until Obama proposed it...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-...
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If there’s one thing conservatives might hate more than Obamacare, it’s hearing that Obamacare springs from Republican ideas. The Heritage Foundation, the granddaddy of the right-wing think tanks, fumed when President Barack Obama said it was the source of the concept of the health insurance marketplaces where people could shop for the best deal. (We rated Obama's claim Mostly True.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Back...
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An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[112] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems.

Obama said that just to tweek some noses. I've looked into this before, the Heritage Foundation's 'Proposal' (remember, they are a think tank, not an elected official implementing a policy) dealt with catastrophic coverage, not comprehensive like Obamacare. So they have about as much in common as a Savage 650 and a BMW GS 1200.

I'm glad you put so much stock in the Heritage Foundations thinking however. I assume if they're so smart in your mind, you're in favor of all their other ideas!

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people?? Reply #9 - 10/12/16 at 14:49:12 And while you look straight at what I Told you was coming, you pretend to be surprised.
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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people?? Reply #10 - 10/12/16 at 15:06:20 verslagen1 wrote on 10/12/16 at 09:49:12: Now you're blaming republican's for obamma care? where does that mention Obamacare???? you think that's the only thing wrong with the direction of this nation????
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Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Reply #11 - 10/12/16 at 15:26:56

WebsterMark wrote on 10/12/16 at 13:54:59:

I'm glad you put so much stock in the Heritage Foundations thinking however. I assume if they're so smart in your mind, you're in favor of all their other ideas!

Nope,.. I'm no fan of mandated health care... I want a national health...'
Mandated care was the best Obama could do, and it was better than doing nothing...

Medicare for everyone!... Screw HMO's...

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Reply #12 - 10/12/16 at 15:30:44

WebsterMark wrote on 10/12/16 at 13:54:59:

Serowbot wrote on 10/12/16 at 13:37:49:

read up...

You are correct in that no Pube's voted for it,.. even though it was their own idea, and they thought it was great until Obama proposed it...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-...
Quote:

If there’s one thing conservatives might hate more than Obamacare, it’s hearing that Obamacare springs from Republican ideas. The Heritage Foundation, the granddaddy of the right-wing think tanks, fumed when President Barack Obama said it was the source of the concept of the health insurance marketplaces where people could shop for the best deal. (We rated Obama's claim Mostly True.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Back...
Quote:

An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[112] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems.

Obama said that just to tweek some noses. I've looked into this before, the Heritage Foundation's 'Proposal' (remember, they are a think tank, not an elected official implementing a policy) dealt with catastrophic coverage, not comprehensive like Obamacare. So they have about as much in common as a Savage 650 and a BMW GS 1200.

I'm glad you put so much stock in the Heritage Foundations thinking however. I assume if they're so smart in your mind, you're in favor of all their other ideas!

it was good enough for Romney...

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Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Reply #13 - 10/12/16 at 16:00:03

What a tool......
A basement room, in your parents house would be a step up for you.

I could prolly go surf the media right now and find a story where they still blame Bush, Heck, I think it was the first sentence Bot ever learned, Bush fault...

You might try living life, instead of blaming others, that you find fault, when its others, blaming, others...

Did you get that punkin?

Guys, he is a troll, we all know GW, and ISIS, and sex harassment, low employment, recession, etc, was all the repubs fault, I can say that as a registered democrat, and if only you guys would pull straight D's like the other Dittoheads, not a rush listener, but the bothaeads, who vote straight tickets, we would not have any of those problems.

Everyone would have healthcare, a job, home, maybe even gender neutral bathroom, in their home so others can use it, if need be, etc...

Sheesh, don't feed trolls guys, they shrivel up like a wet peenis if you ignore them Grin

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28376 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people?? Reply #14 - 10/12/16 at 16:12:43 Panties in a bunch, eh Dawg?... Meanwhile,.. 538 just put Arizona into the blue column... http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ H- 86.8% T- 13.2%... Kiss my "punkin"...
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