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Message started by LostArtist on 10/12/16 at 09:33:55

Title: are you sure you're blaming the right people????
Post by LostArtist on 10/12/16 at 09:33:55

http://i.imgur.com/GnZ2Pv8.jpg

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by verslagen1 on 10/12/16 at 09:49:12

Now you're blaming republican's for obamma care?

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by Serowbot on 10/12/16 at 10:18:12

I would,... "Obamacare" is an idea originating from a Right-Wing think tank, and was supported by Repub's...
If Obama had been able to pass what he wanted, we'd have a National Health like every other civilized nation in the world...

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by badwolf on 10/12/16 at 10:29:08

'' I would,... "Obamacare" is an idea originating from a Right-Wing think tank, and was supported by Repub's...
If Obama had been able to pass what he wanted, we'd have a National Health like every other civilized nation in the world... ''


What world are you living on???

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/16 at 10:57:26

 if there were a town called RealityVille USA, Sew would live on the opposite side of the world.

in his town, if you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough it becomes reality like the exaggerated story about Obamacare being a widely supported Republican idea.

Obamacare will destroy future healthcare.

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by oldNslow on 10/12/16 at 12:07:26

Not a single Republican in either the House or the Senate voted for Obamacare. One Republican Senator did not vote, but a yes or no  vote from him wouldn't have made any difference.

The Republicans did not have a majority in the house until the midterms after obamacare was already law.

So, yeah, it was their fault. 'cause they didn't have the votes top stop it. ::)

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by old.indian on 10/12/16 at 13:07:58

"Obamacare" is the result of millions of dollars spent by health care insurance lobbyist to craft the "Affordable Care Act" in a manner that would best suit the health insurance industry.  BUT "We have the very best government that money can buy".   (Party labels, i.e. Democrat or Republican, make NO difference.)  :o
8-) Harry Truman pushed for universal health care  as part his same program that integrated the Armed Forces in 1949.  8-)  

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by Serowbot on 10/12/16 at 13:37:49

read up...

You are correct in that no Pube's voted for it,.. even though it was their own idea, and they thought it was great until Obama proposed it...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

Quote:
If there’s one thing conservatives might hate more than Obamacare, it’s hearing that Obamacare springs from Republican ideas. The Heritage Foundation, the granddaddy of the right-wing think tanks, fumed when President Barack Obama said it was the source of the concept of the health insurance marketplaces where people could shop for the best deal. (We rated Obama's claim Mostly True.)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Background

Quote:
An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[112] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems.


Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/16 at 13:54:59


3325322F37222F34400 wrote:
read up...

You are correct in that no Pube's voted for it,.. even though it was their own idea, and they thought it was great until Obama proposed it...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

Quote:
If there’s one thing conservatives might hate more than Obamacare, it’s hearing that Obamacare springs from Republican ideas. The Heritage Foundation, the granddaddy of the right-wing think tanks, fumed when President Barack Obama said it was the source of the concept of the health insurance marketplaces where people could shop for the best deal. (We rated Obama's claim Mostly True.)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Background
[quote]An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[112] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems.

[/quote]

Obama said that just to tweek some noses. I've looked into this before, the Heritage Foundation's 'Proposal' (remember, they are a think tank, not an elected official implementing a policy) dealt with catastrophic coverage, not comprehensive like Obamacare. So they have about as much in common as a Savage 650 and a BMW GS 1200.

I'm glad you put so much stock in the Heritage Foundations thinking however. I assume if they're so smart in your mind, you're in favor of all their other ideas!

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/16 at 14:49:12

And while you look straight at what I Told you was coming, you pretend to be surprised.

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by LostArtist on 10/12/16 at 15:06:20


697A6D6C737E787A712E1F0 wrote:
Now you're blaming republican's for obamma care?



where does that mention Obamacare????  

you think that's the only thing wrong with the direction of this nation????

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by Serowbot on 10/12/16 at 15:26:56


7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:


I'm glad you put so much stock in the Heritage Foundations thinking however. I assume if they're so smart in your mind, you're in favor of all their other ideas!

Nope,.. I'm no fan of mandated health care... I want a national health...'
Mandated care was the best Obama could do, and it was better than doing nothing...

Medicare for everyone!... Screw HMO's...

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by LostArtist on 10/12/16 at 15:30:44


497B7C6D6A7B6C537F6C751E0 wrote:
[quote author=3325322F37222F34400 link=1476290035/0#7 date=1476304669]read up...

You are correct in that no Pube's voted for it,.. even though it was their own idea, and they thought it was great until Obama proposed it...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

Quote:
If there’s one thing conservatives might hate more than Obamacare, it’s hearing that Obamacare springs from Republican ideas. The Heritage Foundation, the granddaddy of the right-wing think tanks, fumed when President Barack Obama said it was the source of the concept of the health insurance marketplaces where people could shop for the best deal. (We rated Obama's claim Mostly True.)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Background
[quote]An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[112] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems.

[/quote]

Obama said that just to tweek some noses. I've looked into this before, the Heritage Foundation's 'Proposal' (remember, they are a think tank, not an elected official implementing a policy) dealt with catastrophic coverage, not comprehensive like Obamacare. So they have about as much in common as a Savage 650 and a BMW GS 1200.

I'm glad you put so much stock in the Heritage Foundations thinking however. I assume if they're so smart in your mind, you're in favor of all their other ideas![/quote]


it was good enough for Romney...

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by raydawg on 10/12/16 at 16:00:03

What a tool......
A basement room, in your parents house would be a step up for you.

I could prolly go surf the media right now and find a story where they still blame Bush, Heck, I think it was the first sentence Bot ever learned, Bush fault...

You might try living life, instead of blaming others, that you find fault, when its others, blaming, others...

Did you get that punkin?

Guys, he is a troll, we all know GW, and ISIS, and sex harassment, low employment, recession, etc, was all the repubs fault, I can say that as a registered democrat, and if only you guys would pull straight D's like the other Dittoheads, not a rush listener, but the bothaeads, who vote straight tickets, we would not have any of those problems.

Everyone would have healthcare, a job, home, maybe even gender neutral bathroom, in their home so others can use it, if need be, etc...

Sheesh, don't feed trolls guys, they shrivel up like a wet peenis if you ignore them ;D  

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by Serowbot on 10/12/16 at 16:12:43

Panties in a bunch, eh Dawg?... ;D

Meanwhile,.. 538 just put Arizona into the blue column...
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

H- 86.8%          T- 13.2%...

Kiss my "punkin"... ;D

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by oldNslow on 10/12/16 at 16:28:53


Quote:
I would,... "Obamacare" is an idea originating from a Right-Wing think tank, and was supported by Repub's...


Winston Churchill proposed a version of universal health care back between the wars when he was a Liberal Member of Parliament, years before he switched to the other side of the room. Lets blame him. ;)

It ain't exactly a new idea.

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by raydawg on 10/12/16 at 16:32:17


5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
Panties in a bunch, eh Dawg?... ;D

Meanwhile,.. 538 just put Arizona into the blue column...
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

H- 86.8%          T- 13.2%...

Kiss my "punkin"... ;D


You know I don't wear panties, what's wrong with you  :-*

You enjoy the lull in the storm sweetie. Won't be long until you are defending, blaming, etc, with all the glee forgotten.
Her plate is going to be extremely full, of that I am certain. Trump would most likely just fired everybody, if he had won, but she won't be able to.
Another thing will be, she will have no republican administration to blame, so will she fault Obama?
I don't think she'll be extended the luxury of failure, like he is/was, and like I said earlier, she will abandon anybody or cause if it's to her benefit....
That's the way politics are played amigo.
You can pretend otherwise, but I think you are wrong, she has a lot of the old republicans on her side now, these cats are the one that start wars, remember  >:(

And get your facts right, I am not for Trump, never have been.
I could care what she beats him by, so that isn't going to ruffle nothing I wear.


Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by MnSpring on 10/12/16 at 18:22:02


5442554850454853270 wrote:
" Nope,.. I'm no fan of mandated health care... I want a national health...'  


Here is some,   ‘REALITY’  For ya  !!!!!!


Couple of years ago, had a person, on a  Team for a  Dog Event.
He was from  Canada.  
Canada,  where they HAVE, (What YOU  WANT).

He called,  his Daughter had  CANCER.
So he was going to Stay with her.

It was  6  Months  Later.
   She had a, Operation,  
BECAUSE OF THE HEATH CARE  YOU WANT
    SIX   MONTHS.

 Gee, could you  ‘guess’ the outcome ?

But,  That’s  OK,   After all, “What does it Matter”.
It is, what,  YOU want !


Mandated care was the best Obama could do, and it was better than doing nothing...

Yep, Much, 'better,  !!!!!!!
(Because, it is what, YOU, want)

The,  WORKING , TAX  Paying, People,
PAY,  for the   LAZY, to get   FREE,   H.C.  !

But,  "What does it matter"  !

But you will say:  "It will work".

Well, I can attest to the  FACT,  the,  FREE   HC, and ER, will  CATER  to the,  FREE,  (Not Paying One Cent), People, wanting a  Aspirin for a Headache, While Someone else, is, 'WAITING',  while BLEEDING, all over the floor  !!!!!!!!!!
 
But, 'What Does It  Matter'   ??????



Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by MnSpring on 10/12/16 at 18:31:20


786E79647C69647F0B0 wrote:
" ... we'd have a National Health like every other civilized nation in the world...


Yep,  Just Like, "the others''.
like every other civilized nation

So you can  NOT  SEE, what,  'THEY'  Are Doing ,
How they are doing it, and  What they are Doing.  ???????
like every other civilized nation  

Again:  'What does it matter"

Title: Re: are you sure you're blaming the right people??
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/17 at 08:15:54

It's very telling that you're celebrating.

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