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Re: Are you SURE, this is what you want ?
Reply #15 - 08/28/16 at 13:46:35

Well lets see. ‘’ LostArtist’ wrote: “ … THEY AREN’T EVERY GOING TO COME FOR YOUR GUNS YOU PARANOID PUZBAG …”

Your right that I don’t know you, so I don’t KNOW, how much, you know, about History.
Don’t know if you have a PHD in History, A good knowledge of History. Or nothing at all.

Looking at HISTORY, will tell you the statement, “THEY AREN’T EVERY GOING TO COME FOR YOUR GUNS”, is so totally wrong.

So, if you have a PHD in History. You have chosen to ignore the facts.
If you don’t, I suggest you study up on History.

‘’ LostArtist’ wrote: “ … A PARANOID PUZBAG NOT WORTH ANYMORE OF MY EFFORT…”

Respect? Nowhere in the post, do I ever call you a, ‘ puzbag ‘,
Oh, and the, ‘Respect’ thing. It goes both ways.

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Reply #16 - 08/28/16 at 13:52:36

Serowbot wrote on 08/27/16 at 22:54:13:

" ... Aren't you arguing for the literal interpretation of the Constitution,... while giving specific examples of the evolution of language?..."

Let me try to explain this in, ’Sesame Street’, terms.

If you are reading a book, that was written in 1800, and a person, uses the term, ‘GAY’, to describe another person.
What do you think that word, in the book that was written 200+ years ago, mean?
(Their is No, explanation in the book, stating what the writer meant)

Now, you are reading a book, that was written in 2000, and a person, uses the term, ‘GAY’, to describe another person.
What do you think, that word, in the book that was written today, mean?
(Their is No, explanation in the book, stating what the writer meant)

So, the words: Gay, Plunger, Well Regulated, Militia.
If written 240 years ago, had, different meanings, than they do now.

So, why apply, todays, meaning of words, which were written 240 years ago,
and say: ‘Well that’s what it means’.
When it is so simple, to learn, What, a word meant, when It was written.

In other words, the Meaning of a ‘word’, when it was written, is STILL, the meaning of that word, today.

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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Are you SURE, this is what you want ? Reply #17 - 08/28/16 at 15:56:46 Well, what did "well-regulated militia" mean to the founders? I'd like to know what all the hubbub is about. Interesting...
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Re: Are you SURE, this is what you want ?
Reply #18 - 08/28/16 at 16:21:47

Serowbot wrote on 08/27/16 at 22:54:13:

MnSpring wrote on 08/27/16 at 20:01:04:

Do you know what, ' ...well regulated ...", means?

It is not some, 'today's', 'Fairy Dust Sprinkler' version.
It means, -, You are FIGHTING for your FREEDOM, from, a force that wants to, enslave, you. And it means that, ALL the people from that town/area, are, 'well regulated', which means that they ALL Have the same size, ball and power charge, so if one runs out, they then can get more from their buddy".

Do you understand what a, "...free state..." means. It is to be able to KEEP, your freedom, from those who want to, enslave you"

" ... the right of the people ..." Should require NO explanation.
(Well unless you, WANT, to be enslaved)

"... shall not be infringed ..."
Ah, who, want's to, 'Infringe', Could it be, Carter/Clinton/Obama ??????
And could it be, because they don't want YOU, to oppose them ?

PLUNGER; A word that was around a VERY long time, before their was indoor plumbing. Does NOT mean, that is is, now, different! Than when first written.

The word, 'GAY', did it have a different meaning, just 50 years ago?
So all the 50 + year old references to that word, are, Now Changed ??????

The words: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Written 240 years ago. STILL STAND.

Despite, what a, Wanna Be Queen, and her minions, say.

I'm quite sure this is the definition of insane... Huh

Aren't you arguing for the literal interpretation of the Constitution,... while giving specific examples of the evolution of language?...

Does your head hurt?... Undecided

No, he's probably using the evolution of language as an example of the problematic phenomena.

Language evolves.... (examples).... but, because of that, we have to look back at what they originally meant because we might take their words wrongly if we look at it from a modern perspective.

Lets say there was a passage in the Preamble which said "to promote the gaiety of the people" or worse... "gayness" (can't say they'd use that word back then). Who, in their right mind would be stupid enough to use that to directly promote gay rights? How frustratingly stupid do you have to be to assume that you can now say that since language evolves, the constitution has also evolved, and so the federal government must now actively promote homosexuality as part of it's job because the Constitution says so?
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Reductio ad Absurdum

Now reply to that Bot. I wanna hear your explanation.

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Re: Are you SURE, this is what you want ?
Reply #19 - 08/28/16 at 18:21:36

MnSpring wrote on 08/27/16 at 20:01:04:

[color=#0000ff]Do you know what, ' ...well regulated ...", means?
And it means that, ALL the people from that town/area, are, 'well regulated', which means that they ALL Have the same size, ball and power charge, so if one runs out, they then can get more from their buddy".

I'm quite sure that is not the intended meaning. (Some gun nut, right-wing, site has made up this interpretation)...

... but,... let me give you the benefit of the doubt.

If this was the case,... wouldn't our government be following the literal interpretation of the 2nd amendment, by restricting all gun sales to a single, or least limited number of calibers?...

Let's say,.. 22's, 12 gauge, and 30-06?...
In fact,.. if this is the case... our legislators would negligent not to do so.

Are you sure you want this interpretation?...
I don't think so... Grin

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Reply #20 - 08/29/16 at 10:08:48

Serowbot wrote on 08/28/16 at 18:21:36:

... Are you sure you want this interpretation?...

Right out of the liberal playbook.

Can’t change the Constitution, by applying today' s meaning to yesterdays words.
So then they say:
“well they didn’t have any .30-06’s then”.

You First,
Get rid of your car and MC, and buy a good, horse & buggy.
Oh, and, Tar, on the roads, and your shingles.
Dirt roads, and straw or hand fired clay, for roof.

Rip out the Elect, and Gas in the house, and all items that run on those things.

Don’t forget the Sheetrock & fiberglass insulation.
Back to boards, and (if you want fancy) Horse hair plaster.
Oh, keep those corn cobs, you will need them for insulation.

Set a Example, that the rest of us are to follow.

If you don’t believe, that one of the meanings of, ‘Well Regulated’, means the same ammo, than your first argument is a mute point..
(Their are more than one meaning to a phrase or word, in a time frame)
Well Regulated, Like a Clock keeps time, because it is ‘well regulated’.
“ “, like in, ‘working shape’.
“ “, like in, ‘a group, or following orders’.
Etc etc etc.
( Grin

The last one, could be applied, today, with yesterdays meanings,
’The Hillery followers, are, well regulated’)

But the point is, as the first point.
Under the ultra, anti-freedom, anti-Gun, ’system’, which another Country has.
Only the, very, Very, VERY, rich can buy a gun, and ONLY, if they or have one of their ‘minions’, Kiss the Azz, of someone.
And even then, can use it, ONLY, for very specific things.

"...Are you sure you want this..." Wink

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Reply #21 - 08/29/16 at 10:19:00

Again guys just getting in my posts. Without an armed civilian populous there never would have been an American. People don't murder people with legally purchased licensed firearms on a normal basis. Criminals get their guns illegally just like their drugs and always will regardless of the laws. And a comment from my buddy Josh "man I'm returning my glock all it does is sit in my nightstand that lazy pos hasn't shot anyone."

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6980 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Are you SURE, this is what you want ? Reply #22 - 08/29/16 at 10:56:14 we went through the same rightwing created hysteria when Obama was elected all it did was create an ammo shortage 60s bumper sticker on my dads truck: "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" this debate has been going on for over 50 years
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Reply #23 - 08/29/16 at 12:19:40

Well, before Carter. No Ammo Sales recording. After Carter, you had to record, in a bound book, Ammo Sales, and they had to match, your purchase recites. After Carter was gone, no more recording of Ammo Sales.

Clinton: Used to buy, beat up, used, imported, SKS’s & AK-47’s, and sell them for 125, 135.00. Used to sell, the TOP of the line, Colt HABAR, AR-15, with Alum case, for 500.00 +/- (Assc.). Chiton, did his, ‘Gun/Import Ban. A week later the SKS’s were 300.00. HBAR’s were 900.00-1,000.00.

Near the end of the Clinton adm,
(For those that have not bought a firearm) You fill out a form, the 4473, their are 14 yes/no questions, as well as ALL, YOUR, information, AND ALL, the Gun’s information. {it used to be one page one side. Now it is four pages, Both Sides. As a result of the Excellent Government, ‘paper reduction Act’}. THEN, the seller, had to call the FBI, and give them ALL the information on that 4473. and then wait, and then in 30 sec to 5 min, get back one of three answers. ‘Proceed’, ‘Delay’, ‘Denied’. Proceed/Denied need no explanation. “Delay”, was, ’They will call you back’. If after 3, working days, you heard nothing, you noted the date and time on the 4473, and proceeded with the sale.)

Back to the end of Clinton’s, ‘reign’. 99%, were up to, ‘Delay’. So when I went fishing to a lake about 4 hours North of here. And in that town, their was a gun shop. I would always stop and look. If their was something I wanted to see closer, I asked the person. Their answer: “Are you from around here, are you willing to come back in 3 + days”. If I said no, they wouldn’t even take it out of the case.

Now some dealers, did Not ask, BUT, required You to Pay for it, before they, ‘called it in’. (And stated if you are Denied you would get all your money back). But if, ‘Delayed’. Tough, they did NOT care, if you came back. They used YOUR money for free. AND, if you came back over 30 days. You had to start ALL over again!.

Just after Clinton left office, it went right back to about 2%, ‘Delay'.

Now here comes, ‘King Bama’. He learned. ‘Hard to take away Freedom, from Citizens of a Country, that was BUILT, on Freedom’. So he did the next best thing.
Remove Ammo. (Sure, Hoarding, because of fear contributed),
BUT ‘Bammies’ orders for his, agents’, were to Buy, Buy, Buy.

Exactly the same as JFK did, with his Cuban Cigars, just before he declared the embargo.

One was personal wants. One was, ‘Gun Control’.

Hitlery get’s in, Ammo priced will, JUMP again, and the shortage will get worse.
Trump get’s in. Will find all you want. (but of course the prices will be higher than they were before BO)

Gun Control, the S L O W way.
Just like the frog, in a pan of cold water.

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Re: Are you SURE, this is what you want ?
Reply #24 - 08/29/16 at 17:40:43

Dagillespi wrote on 08/29/16 at 10:19:00:

Again guys just getting in my posts. Without an armed civilian populous there never would have been an American. People don't murder people with legally purchased licensed firearms on a normal basis. Criminals get their guns illegally just like their drugs and always will regardless of the laws. And a comment from my buddy Josh "man I'm returning my glock all it does is sit in my nightstand that lazy pos hasn't shot anyone."

actually----maybe additionally?

Criminals are far more likely to acquire guns from family and acquaintances than by theft, according to new studies by researchers at Duke University and the University of Chicago.

Key findings from the studies include:

• 60 percent of the respondents obtained guns by purchase or trade.
• Most offenders obtained guns from personal connections, not from gun stores or by theft.
• Most of the guns were old (11 years old on average), and criminals held onto the guns a short time, frequently less than a year.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150916162916.htm

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