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08/09/16 at 04:18:10
 
An article by Kurtz......

This is NEWS?

Why?

The media has staked out the largest piece of the pie for themselves.
Even have a constitutional right of free speech to protect their lies.

Sure, they discounted Trump, and revealed their inability to hold themselves on the throne of Grand Wizards, BUT, you think most of who they preach to care?

FOX, NBC, etc.....
Makes no diff, its all about self.

I bring this article to you attention to show how conspiracy is just a natural fault of morality, and nothing more sinister....
It is like a ship that has lost its rudder.
Sure, it could now be a weapon, if it rammed you, but chances are the very fact they have not the ability to steer, means they are not in control of their own direction(s).
All the running about on the deck is a show, and has no real capacity to threaten those who sail under their own power  Grin

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N.Y. Times admits press is against Trump

The media’s legions of Trump-bashers are finally acknowledging the obvious.

And trying their best to justify it.

But there’s one problem: Tilting against one candidate in a presidential election can’t be justified.

This is not a defense of Donald Trump, who has been at war with much of the press since he got in the race. Too many people think if you criticize the way the billionaire is being covered, you are somehow backing Trump.

And it’s not about the commentators, on the right as well as the left, who are savaging Trump, since they are paid for their opinions.

This is about the mainstream media’s reporters, editors and producers, whose credo is supposed to be fairness.

And now some of them are flat-out making the case for unfairness—an unprecedented approach for an unprecedented campaign.

Put aside, for the moment, the longstanding complaints about journalists being unfair to Republicans. They never treated Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush or Bob Dole like this.

Keep in mind that the media utterly misjudged Trump from the start, covering him as a joke or a sideshow or a streaking comet that would burn itself out. Many of them later confessed how wrong they had been, and that they had missed the magnitude of the anger and frustration that fueled Trump’s unlikely rise.

But since the conventions, and fueled by his own missteps, Trump has been hit by a tsunami of negative coverage, all but swamping the reporting on Hillary Clinton. Liberal investigative journalist Glenn Greenwald recently told Slate that “the U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president”—and, given his views, he has no problem with that.

Now comes Jim Rutenberg, in his first season as media columnist for the New York Times. He’s a good reporter and I give him credit for trying to openly grapple with this bizarre situation.

But Rutenberg is, in my view, trying to defend the indefensible:

“If you view a Trump presidency as something that’s potentially dangerous, then your reporting is going to reflect that. You would move closer than you’ve ever been to being oppositional. That’s uncomfortable and uncharted territory for every mainstream, nonopinion journalist I’ve ever known, and by normal standards, untenable.”

Yet normal standards, says Rutenberg, may not apply.

By “closer to being oppositional,” he means openly siding against Trump and thereby helping Clinton. And that’s precisely the kind of thing that erodes our already damaged credibility. If a reporter believes Trump is a threat to America, he or she should go into the opinion business, or quit the media world and work against him. You can’t maintain the fig leaf of neutral reporting and favor one side.

Rutenberg acknowledges that “balance has been on vacation since Mr. Trump stepped onto his golden Trump Tower escalator last year to announce his candidacy. For the primaries and caucuses, the imbalance played to his advantage, captured by the killer statistic of the season: His nearly $2 billion in free media was more than six times as much as that of his closest Republican rival.”

I have to push back on this $2-billion argument. Trump got more coverage not just because he was good for clicks and ratings, but because he did many, many times more interviews than anyone else running. Much of this “free” media, rather than being a gift, was harshly negative. But that too helped Trump, because he drove the campaign dialogue and openly campaigned against the press.

Next Rutenberg argues that Trump is just too over the top in his rhetoric:

“And while coded appeals to racism or nationalism aren’t new — two words: Southern strategy — overt calls to temporarily bar Muslims from entry to the United States or questioning a federal judge’s impartiality based on his Mexican heritage are new.”

What’s disappointing is that Rutenberg doesn’t cite a single example of biased coverage from his paper, or any other paper or news outlet. (He does point to criticism from MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, who is, as the columnist acknowledges, a commentator.)

Instead he quotes Carolyn Ryan, the Times’ senior editor for politics, as saying Trump’s candidacy is “extraordinary and precedent-shattering” and “to pretend otherwise is to be disingenuous with readers.”

And Rutenberg agrees, saying it would “be an abdication of political journalism’s most solemn duty: to ferret out what the candidates will be like in the most powerful office in the world.”

No one wants to abdicate that duty. No one is pretending Trump’s candidacy isn’t extraordinary. No one is saying he shouldn’t be fully vetted.

But there is an assumption among many journalists and pundits that of course Hillary Clinton is qualified, she’s been around forever, she just doesn’t need the relentless reporting that Trump requires. And so critical stories about Clinton—even when she said she “short-circuited” in that Chris Wallace interview on the email mess—are overshadowed by the endless piling on Trump.

Many of the reporters who feel compelled to stop Trump are undoubtedly comfortable because all their friends feel the same way.

But they are deluding themselves if they think that going after one candidate in a two-candidate race is what journalism is about.
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Reply #1 - 08/09/16 at 22:08:38
 
And that somehow makes the intentional destruction of schools and trade deals so simple as to NOT be criminal.
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Reply #2 - 08/10/16 at 03:57:22
 
I didn't say it didn't have consequences....
If, by our actions, someone is damaged, our system allows for repair.
Intent, now that is a different action all of its own, I'll use wrongful death, as an example. It has degrees, from manslaughter to M1, YET, now of them can "restore" life to the deceased.

I still don't think you grasp what I am trying to say, maybe its best to extend that same thinking/consideration to those who don't see what it is, that you see, in some matters  Cheesy
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Reply #3 - 08/12/16 at 03:32:26
 

I bring this article to you attention to show how conspiracy is just a natural fault of morality, and nothing more sinister....

I read that and I know a lot. Apparently some people need to look up some words.
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Reply #4 - 08/12/16 at 11:21:02
 
look to the owners of "the media"  using it to spread their views
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Reply #5 - 08/12/16 at 12:21:24
 
thumperclone wrote on 08/12/16 at 11:21:02:
look to the owners of "the media"  using it to spread their views


Can you expand on this, and give us references and example?
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Reply #6 - 08/12/16 at 14:28:23
 
M  e  d  i  a  .... Huh

Turner    CNN
Murdoch   FOX, Weekly Standard
Bloomberg   NYT, Wash Post, etc..
Hearst   Buttloads

Bain Capital (Romney) owns IHeart/ Clear Channel radio...
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Reply #8 - 08/13/16 at 00:36:45
 
raydawg wrote on 08/12/16 at 12:21:24:
thumperclone wrote on 08/12/16 at 11:21:02:
look to the owners of "the media"  using it to spread their views


Can you expand on this, and give us references and example?


just got home from work
ray does pg's post clear it up?
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Reply #9 - 08/13/16 at 07:39:08
 
thumperclone wrote on 08/13/16 at 00:36:45:
raydawg wrote on 08/12/16 at 12:21:24:
thumperclone wrote on 08/12/16 at 11:21:02:
look to the owners of "the media"  using it to spread their views


Can you expand on this, and give us references and example?


just got home from work
ray does pg's post clear it up?


Yes, I appreciate the visual display, and it is rather staggering to think that these corporation do have the wherewithal to control NEWS feeds.

I think it would be unfair, as well as a leading cause to such dissension between folks, to say this alone, this almost monopoly, is cause enough to find them guilty of collusion.

I know it appears suspect, but maybe they just gobble up this industry to control cost, access, and profits, which of course is part of why we have laws against such monopolistic practices.

But lets be objective, look at education.
Again, I think it holds many (people)  economically, socially, and intellectually down, by the shear cost of attaining it.

Why do we allow profits to justify their actions......
Kinda like Trump's whole campaign slogan as to why he is worthy, ain't it?

Finally, are their "views" wrong?
Don't we all spread our views?

And REALLY finally  Cool

This being so, its no excuse for people to feed at their trough, then complain that it gives them the runs........  Embarrassed

Too much information is now readily available to us via the INTERNET.

Do your homework.

My dog ate mine  Grin

PS: I would, when you get a chance TC, give a few examples, and why you think its deliberate, as opposed to being just wrong, like Saddam had weapons, kinda wrong  Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - 08/13/16 at 10:49:03
 
I think its in our nature
lets say I owned a newspaper, I'd use it to cultivate my views
maybe not report some facts to aggrandize my position
maybe extol others' opinions to dignify mine


for example it happens on the TT all the time
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Reply #11 - 08/13/16 at 11:40:05
 
Trump played the media with outrageous statements and lies, knowing they would get coverage.
The media didn't throw any muck that wasn't from Trump's own mouth.

The article mentions the "southern strategy"... Repub's have played out that hand.
The cultural balance of America can no longer support it.
Those southern Red states are turning Blue.

Pub's need a new platform,... a new strategy...
...or they will be gone, and new Party will take their place.

The southern strategy was to feed off the racist tendencies of southern white men.
For 50 years, the Republican Party was the party of hate, fear, resentment, prejudice, and racism... ...

I'm glad it's dead...
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Reply #12 - 08/13/16 at 18:41:08
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/13/16 at 11:40:05:
I'm glad it's dead...


And so are core principles that made America something truly special.  Your Politburo is near completion and I'm sure you are happy to see the formation of your Marxist utopia you have yearned for for so long.

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Reply #13 - 08/13/16 at 20:39:43
 
'Marxist utopia' lol

Anyone here been to ex-Soviet states?
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Reply #14 - 08/13/16 at 21:17:15
 
HovisPresley wrote on 08/13/16 at 20:39:43:
'Marxist utopia' lol

Anyone here been to ex-Soviet states?


One of the biggest differences between marxism and communism is that communism is a real political system that has been put into effect in places such as China and the Soviet Union, while marxism is a political theory upon which many communist systems are developed. Marxism more so refers to the social, economic and political theory.  

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