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justin_o_guy2
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I get frustrated
08/08/16 at 09:05:39
 
I obviously have strong opinions. I, like everyone else, believe that MY opinions are based in something more honest and tangible than fantasy. I post what I believe are well worded , complete thoughts, hypothetical situations, links to information , like Iserbyt,a source who is unimpeachable, who points out what I have stated. Yet, people who would say that they are reasonable and are honest and are only wanting to know the truth choose to pretend that I am somehow a crackpot, when I can Document that the schools were literally sabotaged. Understanding Why isn't even hard, IF one has the stomach for seeing a very dystopic view of the world.

The POINT is, I think I have provided compelling evidence that should have been looked at and would have changed people's minds IF in fact they Wanted to Be Right, not just feel right.



Seeming is not the same as actually Being.



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It's not possible for those who see themselves as serfs and obliged To the government rather than seeing the government as servants to understand what I say.
They exist to do what they are supposed to do,hence the phrase
Public Servant.
Do maids, cooks, gardeners, etc. Have more rights than the landowner who Pays them?

And that's another example of a question that should raise eyebrows and cause some internal dialogue for most of you.
I think we should talk about what that question says.
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Reply #1 - 08/08/16 at 10:09:27
 
The POINT is, I think I have provided compelling evidence that should have been looked at and would have changed people's minds IF in fact they Wanted to Be Right, not just feel right.

Jog,  I consider myself an admirer of yours and I appreciate the work you put into your post. I read most of them, some of the links I open some of the links I do not. And you have brought up some interesting points. I think you're one of the few people that truly understand the real meaning and history behind the Second Amendment for example.

But, as I've said before, you seem predisposed to blame conspiracies for practically every major incident that occurs. You see purposeful connections  between people and events where none exist.  and while you complain that no one really evaluates what you post, the opposite is also true. You will not listen to logic and common sense about some of your theories. We've gone through the 9/11 thing a thousand times. We've gone through the Reagan Bush Hincley connection a thousand times.  it doesn't matter what facts you are presented with, when you get an idea in your head that there's a connection between people or events you will never allow yourself to see the impossibility.

so the result is sometimes the excellent ideas and points that you have are immediately discarded.  is that fair? No of course it's not. But I confessed to doing it myself. And like I said I'm a fan of yours and I read a lot of what you post.

i'm not asking you to change or to do anything different. I'm just giving you my opinion on your last post.
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Reply #2 - 08/08/16 at 10:39:36
 
Jog buddy, I also feel what web said is correct, in the sense as how I/we see it.
It is easier to look at history, and fill in the blanks, than it is to predict the future based on so many variables, and uncertainties.
Sure, a broken watch is right twice a day, does that mean it is working?

I'll leave you with this thought bub, expectations are premeditated resentments....
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Reply #3 - 08/08/16 at 11:00:45
 
So, when second in command of part of the department of education writes about
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America
I'm the conspiracy theorist.

Regardless of WHY such bad decisions were made, like the trade deals.. I mean Really, Come On, does Anyone believe they have been good for America?
Then why are they not being dumped?
Im hearing blahh blahh blahhh..

You guys explain why when change was made in school and the end result was a sorrier outcome they never Undid the change.
And don't kid me, I was in school and watched the news and saw it happen. I was doing Fine in math, until they Fixed it. Modern Math didn't torpedo Just me..
So, rather than, once again, patting me on the head and walking off,

Go read what Iserbyt said.
Check out what
John Taylor gatto said.

Think for yourself a while.

Howcumizzit that we get screwed every time they do a trade deal?
And no matter how pissed off the voters are, no matter how strongly the people who p a ssed the unpopular legislation get swept out,
The Legislation Never Gets REPEALED...

how do you Not question what is so OBVIOUSLY telling?
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Reply #4 - 08/08/16 at 11:18:33
 
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You guys explain why when change was made in school and the end result was a sorrier outcome they never Undid the change.


Because that sorry outcome is considered SUCCESS  by the folks running the education industry. Aint nothing that needs fixing as far as they are concerned.

http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2016/02/how-a-generation-lost-its-common-cult...
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Think for yourself a while.

I have. I do. I did.

I know tons of educators. My son's wife's family is full of teachers. Literally, I bet they have a dozen in their family.

They ALL think education is better today than it's ever been. You can't argue that point with them. Educators are like politicians and movie stars; they live in a bubble and can't see out of it. Educators are almost all liberal as well and education administrators make a very good living out of the business. Look at universities.

Again, what you see are thousands of individuals responding to forces in the same basic manner because it benefits them as individuals. it's not a grand conspiracy from the top down.  
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Reply #6 - 08/08/16 at 14:35:48
 
You don't Really believe the bank teller knows what the federal reserve is, do you?
Teachers are NOT who I asked you to listen to, except for
Gatto. But, you hide from the things that I'm pointing at, and pretend that you know.
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Reply #7 - 08/08/16 at 14:37:52
 
oldNslow wrote on 08/08/16 at 11:18:33:
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You guys explain why when change was made in school and the end result was a sorrier outcome they never Undid the change.


Because that sorry outcome is considered SUCCESS  by the folks running the education industry. Aint nothing that needs fixing as far as they are concerned.

http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2016/02/how-a-generation-lost-its-common-cult...



I came up real short.. but, I was educated in the public school.
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I came up real short.. but, I was educated in the public school.



Yeah, me too. But I graduated from HS in 1965. Things were a bit different 50 years ago.

I don't remember where I read it, or who said it, but I saw a comment not long ago that sort of put things in perspective. Went something like this " They used to teach Latin and Greek in High School in this country. Now they teach remedial English in college." Sad
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Reply #9 - 08/08/16 at 15:31:19
 
TRUTH,
But I'm a goofball.
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I don't remember where I read it, or who said it, but I saw a comment not long ago that sort of put things in perspective. Went something like this " They used to teach Latin and Greek in High School in this country. Now they teach remedial English in college."

That's due to the misguided and "living in a bubble" effect of liberal educators.

There's a ton of reasons for the decline of education, but a grand conspiracy driven from the top down to turn America into mush-brains over a period of decades, ain't one of them.
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WebsterMark wrote on 08/10/16 at 04:27:52:
I don't remember where I read it, or who said it, but I saw a comment not long ago that sort of put things in perspective. Went something like this " They used to teach Latin and Greek in High School in this country. Now they teach remedial English in college."

That's due to the misguided and "living in a bubble" effect of liberal educators.

There's a ton of reasons for the decline of education, but a grand conspiracy driven from the top down to turn America into mush-brains over a period of decades, ain't one of them.



Just to be clear, I never said anything about any kind of a "vast conspiracy." There is no secret cabal directing this. However it is not the result of a bunch of random events either. It is ideologically driven and quite deliberate. Teachers are the products of an educational system that is designed to produce a workforce with a particular view of things, and the curriculums are designed to reinforce that viewpoint. The folks that attend our elite universities are not stupid, they are simply, as professor Deenan says :  

What our educational system aims to produce is cultural amnesia, a wholesale lack of curiosity, history-less free agents, and educational goals composed of content-free processes and unexamined buzz-words like “critical thinking,” “diversity,” “ways of knowing,” “social justice,” and “cultural competence.”

Our students are the achievement of a systemic commitment to producing individuals without a past for whom the future is a foreign country, cultureless ciphers who can live anywhere and perform any kind of work without inquiring about its purposes or ends, perfected tools for an economic system that prizes “flexibility” (geographic, interpersonal, ethical).


That doesn't happen by accident. Education in this country is intimately intertwined with politics, and funded by politicians. It has been infected with progressive ideals and agendas for at least the past 75 or so years.  That isn't a "conspiracy" as I think JOG defines it, but it didn't just happen either. And "living in a bubble" dosen't entirely explain it.
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Reply #12 - 08/10/16 at 07:09:06
 
So, most journalists, educators, and scientists, are liberal...

Does the liberal make the job, or does the job make the liberal?...

In general, more education makes you more liberal.
Conservatives blame brainwashing,.. liberals credit broader thought.

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In general, more education makes you more liberal.


Exactly. That is precisely the point of our present education.system. And it works quite well. Liberal thought isn't a genetic trait. It has to be learned.

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. Conservatives blame brainwashing,.. liberals credit broader thought.


Like how they( liberals) are just naturally smarter than us ignorant, uneducated conservatives.
That's pretty broad minded.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - 08/10/16 at 09:19:02
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/10/16 at 07:09:06:
In general, more education makes you more liberal.
Conservatives blame brainwashing,..


Wow, I have found a talking point with which I agree with Bot.  Although, it is an additional period of time of further indoctrination.

However, I have a graduate degree and I have been steadfast in my beliefs.   Smiley

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