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08/07/16 at 06:23:15
 
This is Ann Coulter at a campaign stop with Paul Ryan's opponent. That's just the backdrop. Her comments apply on a larger, national scale.
Argue against her points. Somebody tell me where she's wrong on anything.

Ryan supports the Trans Pacific Partnership so that any job that hasn’t already been shipped to Mexico can be sent to Asia. He supports the DREAM Act, or the Leave No Child In Mexico or Central America Behind Act. He opposes a wall on the grounds that, I quote, ‘America is not defined by its borders.’ What does that mean? So if I’m standing in France or Brazil, does that mean I’m really in America? I’m in Wisconsin today—am I really in Paris? What does that mean? Did he get some bad cheese curds? We have drugs and criminals pouring across the border and Paul Ryan’s response is to give us a nonsensical phrase from a Hallmark card: ‘Our Country Is Not Defined By Its Borders.’ Well, I guess a home is not defined by walls, electricity and plumbing, but we still want walls, electricity and plumbing. We not only have immigrants coming in taking jobs, committing crimes, creating victims of illegal alien crime, we also are bringing in immigrants legally who periodically flip out and murder Americans so Donald Trump has a suggestion for how we should not be at mass breakneck speed importing people whose religion teaches them that they should kill us. There’s 7 billion people in the world, we don’t have to take in any of them. Can we at least not take the ones who some percentage of whom are going to flip out and slaughter large numbers of us?
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Reply #1 - 08/07/16 at 07:11:41
 
You know,you start with common sense like that and you're liable to get called names.
I've been trying to get the Open Borders crowd to remove their doors. They won't. They somehow believe they have a right to decide who is in Their house, but are unable to understand that the borders are the Doors of our Nation, and we All have a vested interest in how many and what kind of people we allow in. But THEY want to make our decision for us. I well remember the accusation that it was the right, wanting cheap labor, (As IF dems don't own businesses,Ha,  ) and the left were supposedly unhappy with the right... but THAT all changed.  


Nobody has explained how the Titanic survivors were wrong to row past the people crying out to be saved.. when the boat is full, taking on water, needing to be bailed out to stay afloat, adding people is suicide..

But they are ideologues and irrational, and rational people Hate the ones who are wanting in. They HAVE to pretend that the rational people are bad, otherwise they are forced to see their folly.
The open border people are screwing themselves and everyone else and NEED to wake up.
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Reply #2 - 08/07/16 at 07:30:53
 
Reality sucks, eh?

This is why Trump speak is resonating , too bad the mouth its coming from is suspect and beyond ability to deliver repair.

Politicians will take the least path of resistance,  look at Hillary, who keeps track of her lies?

This political correctness is a shame.
It is stifling REAL conversation, as hard as it can be, at times.
Unless you get real, you have no right to expect results, just more obfuscated folk, clueless and lost.
It will turn against the "system" eventually, as you can only deny reality for a spell, look at addictions as an example.......
You can fool yourself only so long, that it isn't doing harm.
Many never wake up, as it claims their life from over indulging.

REVOLT, now......

Give a look at the LIBERTARIAN candidates, it is the only shot we really have at the moment.
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Reply #3 - 08/07/16 at 11:24:07
 
I don't think even Ms. Coulter believes what she says...
She just makes money from it... Huh
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Reply #4 - 08/07/16 at 14:07:59
 
Wow, that's a pretty persuasive argument you made there....
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Reply #5 - 08/07/16 at 17:31:29
 
It's the careful analysis and dissection of each idea, using well thought out and complete thoughts, so masterfully presented as he points out the faults AND explains What thinking Does make sense. I'm forever humbled by the masters of logic and their abilities to surgically open up and expose the faults as they inject flawlessly the right thinking way to look at things. I'm just blown Away. Honored just to be allowed to read such brilliantly executed analyses of all things politic. I'll bet that Muppet modeled that mortarboard majestically as he audaciously ascended the steps and proceeded to the podium to be so deservedly delivered the diploma declaring his development in and mastery of making nuts up and pretending it's worth reading.
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Reply #6 - 08/07/16 at 18:19:49
 
I use to give some change to those holding up signs at the stop light/off ramp.
Until I saw a guy with one leg at a gas station.
He sat out front.
He had a plastic portable gas can sitting beside him.
He would ask for money, so he could get some gas for his car, he ran out.....
It was a good hook.
I was gonna give him a few bucks on my way out from paying for my gas.

He was standing up, on crutches, his back turned toward me, as I walked toward him.
He turned.
But not before I saw him quickly roll some fresh bills onto this 3 inch wad, he jammed into his pocket.
I just stopped and looked at him, eye contact....
He shrugged, bent over, retrieved his empty gas can, turned his back on me and left.....

I have never given any money to another beggar since.
I have given food, clothes, but no money.

What does this have to do with this post, you wonder?

Same thing.

You don't have to engage, with people who really aren't engaging, themselves.
Expect nothing, and go on......
Not worth the time of day.
It has served me well, when I remember to use it.

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Reply #7 - 08/07/16 at 18:24:32
 
Upstaged by a SHRUG?
I'm crushed.
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Reply #8 - 08/07/16 at 18:52:28
 
Nope Ray, you call them out. You stay on them, even though you know the outcome: they'll run away.
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Reply #9 - 08/07/16 at 19:20:42
 
I'd rather them articulate a logical argument. I'd rather see a genuine dissection of the points, and rational points made in opposition. But, not gonna happen.
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Reply #10 - 08/07/16 at 19:28:15
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/07/16 at 19:20:42:
I'd rather them articulate a logical argument.




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Reply #11 - 08/07/16 at 19:29:47
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/07/16 at 19:20:42:
I'd rather them articulate a logical argument. I'd rather see a genuine dissection of the points, and rational points made in opposition. But, not gonna happen.


Jog, no one, none, can ever venture, or udder anything to the contrary, about you.
You stake some strange ground, yes, but your sincerity can not be questioned......
I'm sorry, and sad too, that dialogue isn't the real quest around here, so it seems.
It could be a lot better to exchange ideas, etc, but again, this format leaves a lot to desire, and its fraught with assumptions and misunderstandings.....

Is it our fault we expect pigs to fly, even tho the lipstick was gorgeous  Grin
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Reply #12 - 08/07/16 at 19:51:40
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/07/16 at 18:52:28:
Nope Ray, you call them out. You stay on them, even though you know the outcome: they'll run away.


I hear you Web, and I think this is part of Trumps game plan.

Yes, they practise classic deflection, slight of hand, obfuscation.....
And sadly its they, themselves, that often lose their grasp on reality, and can no longer discern the truth, but believe what they have said, so many times, it becomes truth.

I have been charged many times as believing in a fairy tale.
Its only because these people who have no relationship, with my Christ, as to why they can't understand.
I can't explain all of it, heck no, it is beyond my ability, and we have absolutely nothing to compare it to.
Yes, it is extremely abstract, yet, it satisfies me in a manner that nothing, has ever come close to, or as sustainable.
Yet, they assign to me folly, based on their own belief, and can't see their own intolerance, and hypocrisy, that they have no qualms about charging others with such traits....

Oh well, how did your barbecue go?
   
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Reply #13 - 08/08/16 at 18:27:55
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/07/16 at 06:23:15:
This is Ann Coulter at a campaign stop with Paul Ryan's opponent. That's just the backdrop. Her comments apply on a larger, national scale.
Argue against her points. Somebody tell me where she's wrong on anything.

Ryan supports the Trans Pacific Partnership so that any job that hasn’t already been shipped to Mexico can be sent to Asia. He supports the DREAM Act, or the Leave No Child In Mexico or Central America Behind Act. He opposes a wall on the grounds that, I quote, ‘America is not defined by its borders.’ What does that mean? So if I’m standing in France or Brazil, does that mean I’m really in America? I’m in Wisconsin today—am I really in Paris? What does that mean? Did he get some bad cheese curds? We have drugs and criminals pouring across the border and Paul Ryan’s response is to give us a nonsensical phrase from a Hallmark card: ‘Our Country Is Not Defined By Its Borders.’ Well, I guess a home is not defined by walls, electricity and plumbing, but we still want walls, electricity and plumbing. We not only have immigrants coming in taking jobs, committing crimes, creating victims of illegal alien crime, we also are bringing in immigrants legally who periodically flip out and murder Americans so Donald Trump has a suggestion for how we should not be at mass breakneck speed importing people whose religion teaches them that they should kill us. There’s 7 billion people in the world, we don’t have to take in any of them. Can we at least not take the ones who some percentage of whom are going to flip out and slaughter large numbers of us?



Here's the problem, This is all leaning towards a nationalistic narrow minded and misunderstanding  point of view.

The whole borders don't make a country thing, well, myopically yes, they do make a country, but, does not America's greatness overflow it's borders? Can you see the Idea of America as more than simply a landmass?  maybe you can't, idk, and none of that takes away from the idea that borders are good, but they aren't they only thing that defines America are they?  So yeah, that's a weak defense of a confusing statement, but there you go :p  

First, America is great, but yes, we've ALWAYS had our own problems, has that ever stopped us from taking in immigrants and refuges? Ask a Cuban. So saying that we need to stop all immigration legal or illegal because they might be criminals and cause problems is kind of like punishing them all for the actions of a few, and she did mention LEGAL immigrants not just illegal. But it's all based in fear, fear of the few that are criminals, well as is used in the gun control argument, you aren't going to stop those, wall, no wall, the criminals making money from coming here with drugs or cheap labor or sex trafficking, etc...  they will find a way to keep coming here to keep making money, and while they are here they will continue their criminal activity. you might slow them down, maybe, but if we can't do anything about guns, why do anything about illegal immigration?

more fear mongering " Can we at least not take the ones who some percentage of whom are going to flip out and slaughter large numbers of us?"  what percentage is that? what percentage would be acceptable? She is right that the data is crazy unorganized and really hard to find.

But again, the main issue I have with it is her tone, her fear based motivation, ooooh look out for that brown person, or that other brown person. all the brown people are criminals and trying to kill us!!!  

she NOT ONCE mentions the main way illegal aliens get here, OVER STAYING LEGAL VISAS.  

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Reply #14 - 08/08/16 at 19:23:51
 
e NOT ONCE mentions the main way illegal aliens get here, OVER STAYING LEGAL VISAS.


Uh huhh,
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