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Weird idle problem
06/28/16 at 05:33:23
 
It's warm here in the mornings, around 75+ degrees. Bike always starts fine without choke. Then driving down the road a block and stopping at an intersection, I'd starts chugging and almost dying just like when the choke is pulled. Black smoke coming out the exhaust.
Driving off is fine but idling in the next stop is the same issue. It eventually gets a little better the longer the ride.
What could cause this?

BTW I checked the petcock and there is no gas in the vacuum line. It is like it gets too much fuel and not enough air. The air filter is fairly new.
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Reply #1 - 06/28/16 at 05:48:42
 
Just for kicks......disconnect the vacuum line and plug both ends, and set the petcock to prime and see if anything changes.

It could be that something is stuck in the float needle/seat and it allows a small amount of fuel to flow as the bike sits, and the fuel level is too high in the float bowl after sitting overnight.  The vacuum petcock does shut off the fuel flow - but there is fuel in the line that could be slowly filling up the float bowl as the bike sits.  As you continue to ride you may be lowering the fuel level and the overly rich issue goes away.

Gummy/clogged jets cause the bike to be lean....so that most likely is not a problem.  Even now and then somebody gets a float that fails and allows fuel to enter the float....and the heavy float allows too high of a float level.

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Reply #2 - 06/28/16 at 06:06:30
 
I did have the enrichment valve on the side of the carb open though to look for dirt and stuff. I do that once a year. Could that have anything to do with it?
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Reply #3 - 06/28/16 at 06:11:08
 
If the symptoms all started just after you did that work....then I would look there first.  Perhaps it is not seating properly.
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Reply #4 - 06/28/16 at 06:45:09
 
Okay I opened the enrichment valve again and everything was properly seated, BUT there was condensate on the plunger stem behind the membrane. It was not gas. It was water. Is it possible I got some bad gas?
Or is it the incredible high humidity here?
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Reply #5 - 06/28/16 at 07:36:06
 
Since it's an idle issue, the TEV is a good guess.
Every once in a while we get someone with a weird issue that goes away.
But easiest cure is to drain the gas and replace.
Throw in a ounce of seafoam and hope for the best.
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Reply #6 - 06/28/16 at 08:00:52
 
So after I put it back together, I started it and let it idle for five minutes and blipped the throttle occasionally and it didn't act weird then. I couldn't go for a ride, since I'm at work. So everything had to go quickly. I'm gonna try the seafoam first and fresh gas. If that doesn't help I'm gonna try the petcock test.
Have to see how it acts at lunch when I ride home.
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Reply #7 - 06/28/16 at 12:33:15
 
Idle on the sidestand is death.
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Reply #8 - 06/28/16 at 13:08:12
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/28/16 at 12:33:15:
Idle on the sidestand is death.

Why is that?
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Reply #9 - 06/28/16 at 13:11:39
 
It won't oil the high end of the cam.
Dave has pictures,
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Reply #10 - 06/28/16 at 13:25:07
 
It is a concern.....that maybe the low oil flow at idle doesn't properly oil to the high end of the cam.

I could have done a better job of showing how the oil feeds through the cam from the left side....and likely has no oil left to lubricate the right cam lobe when on the side stand at idle - but the thread link below explains the issue.

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Reply #11 - 06/29/16 at 05:51:24
 
Ok, I tried something else. When I disconnect the vacuum hose on the carb and plug the nipple, take the end of the hose in my mouth and suck a vacuum on it, it idles fine.
I try and put a new piece of hose on it and see then.
But it seems like the vacuum from the carb is not strong enough.
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Reply #12 - 06/29/16 at 06:25:14
 
As the diaphragm in the vacuum petcock ages....it either becomes too stiff to operate properly and starves the bike for fuel - or it gets holes in it and allows fuel to flow through the vacuum hose and it gives the engine too much fuel.

Either way.....when the vacuum petcock fails it can cause the bike to run poorly.
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Reply #13 - 06/29/16 at 06:42:20
 
I put a new petcock in there about four years ago. Just to prevent those failures. Could it be already defective?
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Re: Weird idle problem
Reply #14 - 06/29/16 at 07:02:14
 
ralfyguy wrote on 06/29/16 at 06:42:20:
I put a new petcock in there about four years ago. Just to prevent those failures. Could it be already defective?


The only way to know for sure...is to test it.  Block off the vacuum hose on both ends, turn the petcock to PRI....and see how it runs. If it runs better than it does with the petcock hooked up and set to ON or RES.....then the petcock is faulty.
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