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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6240 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	apple and the g men 02/22/16 at 22:59:32 im on the fence on this one no master key for sure but if they are forced to open one phone where does it stop
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13343 Gender:	Re: apple and the g men Reply #1 - 02/23/16 at 06:10:00 Where will it stop? If there's ever a question on this forum where we could get a high level of agreement, it's probably this one. I think most of us know the answer: it won't.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28908 L.A. California Gender:	Re: apple and the g men Reply #2 - 02/23/16 at 07:40:27 and if this isn't a marketing ploy... huge kudos to apple for having a phone that even the feds can't hack into.
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Re: apple and the g men
Reply #3 - 02/23/16 at 07:47:48

From what I've read,.. they've already done it 70 times...
Now, they suddenly grow a spine?... Nope... They just don't bad PR....
Apple is not my favorite company... Huh

I lean towards the national security in this case...
I wouldn't want to see it allowed in all criminal cases, but... national security must have some weight...
Maybe not allow it as admissible in court, but just be allowed for investigative purposes... i.e.,.. finding terrorist associates...

JMHO... and it goes against my core principals... Undecided

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Reply #4 - 02/23/16 at 08:29:35

just listen to show on this and learned a few things. what the FBI wants is for Apple to write software and install only on this phone that disables the feature that prevents more than 10 guesses at the password. the fbi wants to be able to guess a million times if necessary until they get the right one and get in.
The other issue is this phone is not "owned" by the dead guy but by his employer.
Finally, the dead guy turned off the cloud backup feature a month or so before the shooting which is why the company (the owner) cant get the info.

not sure if those facts change anyone's mind or not.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28908 L.A. California Gender:	Re: apple and the g men Reply #5 - 02/23/16 at 08:42:38 what if they've already hacked in? and needed some time to locate a few people?
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oldNslow Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2686 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: apple and the g men Reply #6 - 02/23/16 at 09:14:39 " There is nothing new in the realization that the Constitution sometimes insulates the criminality of a few in order to protect the privacy of us all. " - Antonin Scalia Sucks to be you,FBI. Get over it.
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Reply #7 - 02/23/16 at 09:30:56

As an FYI : Back in the olden days before cell phones, personal computers, the internet, and rampant political correctness. If the FBI wanted to "tap" a phone or obtain call records they needed to obtain a detailed warrant from a federal court and serve it to the Telephone Company Legal who then hand carried the information down the chain to the technician who would actually perform the circuit work, or print out the past bills. Every one involved on the corporate side was obligated to silence subject to termination and legal prosecution. That was in the "mechanical" age. Today's digital age .... Well.... A few keystrokes and your personal information and privacy are toast......

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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: apple and the g men Reply #8 - 02/23/16 at 11:04:29 oldNslow wrote on 02/23/16 at 09:14:39: " There is nothing new in the realization that the Constitution sometimes insulates the criminality of a few in order to protect the privacy of us all. " - Antonin Scalia How'd that work out? --Steve
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Re: apple and the g men
Reply #9 - 02/23/16 at 16:17:00

It is really hard for me to believe this is not just a circus side show. First, they have already given access to various alphabet agencies. Second, all that information from a smart telephone is going to go through multiple servers. I would suspect it shouldn't be to hard to find nearly all the information they may be interested in.

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Reply #10 - 02/23/16 at 19:24:45

verslagen1 wrote:

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what if they've already hacked in?

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It is really hard for me to believe this is not just a circus side show.

BINGO ! The Feds don't actually give a crap about what's on this particular phone. They want the KEY to everything. The FBI seems to be winning the PR fight on this one by a slim but not insignificant margin. Next time it will be easier. An the next time and the time after that .....

"National security" greases a lot of skids.

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Re: apple and the g men
Reply #11 - 02/24/16 at 16:11:04

Funny how important it is now. I mean, at this point in time
What difference does it make?
Not even sure if they did it, myself. Allegations of three white guys have surfaced.

And, what's the deal? Pre 9-11, this guy was
On the Radar, so to speak, but, Ohhh, NO, can't go there.

Special Report: A Review of the FBI's Handling of Intelligence ...
https://oig.justice.gov › special › chapter4
Minneapolis wanted to obtain a warrant to search Moussaoui's computer and ... FBI Headquarters did not believe sufficient grounds existed for a criminal warrant, ... after dropping out of the course and overstayed his allowed length of stay.
Why Didn't the FBI Fully Investigate Moussaoui? - TIME
Time Magazine › content › nation › article
May 23, 2002 - Not denying the charges: FBI Director Mueller ... to seek a search warrant of Moussaoui's computer.
FBI Flaws Alleged by Field Staff (washingtonpost.com)
propagandamatrix.com › fbi_flaws_alleg...
Search Story Archive by Keyword: ... Minneapolis FBI agents investigating terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui last August ... have allowed the government to search Moussaoui's laptop computer without ...
TRACES OF TERROR - THE TERROR SUSPECT - F.B.I. Denial ...
The New York Times › 2002/06/07 › tra...
Jun 7, 2002 - Federal officials say that if Mr. Moussaoui's computer and other ... The struggle over the warrant did not end until the ... to search the laptop that had been taken from Moussaoui, .... Should Beach Privatization Be Allowed?
The strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui: FBI refused to ...
World Socialist Web Site › mous-j05
Jan 5, 2002 - The case of Zacarias Moussaoui raises many questions about the conduct of the FBI and other US ...

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Re: apple and the g men
Reply #12 - 03/12/16 at 07:27:31

My time in Military Intelligence, especially at the counter-terrorism desk at DIA, was a wake up call of how many people in the world hate us- either on religious, ethnic, or historical post US "interventions" basis. It may seem unfair, but after we have bombed out villages, defoliated jungles and raised cancer etc rates all over the world, some people take exception to our behavior. That being said, if you are charged with trying to protect the US, you would like every tool available to save your friends, family and neighbors. It is a powerful motivator to ignore boundaries legal or illegal. Personally, I am against the governments' understandable desire to know everything about everyone because, SOMEONE will use that information for political or financial gain rather than what we would agree to have the info used.

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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: apple and the g men Reply #13 - 03/12/16 at 13:21:56 Why ASK Apple for the keys? Just get the NSA to do it behind our backs. "Ignorance and indifference is bliss." - serf
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old.indian Serious Thumper Offline Fighting Foreign Terrorism since 1492 Posts: 975 Central New Mexico Gender:	Re: apple and the g men Reply #14 - 03/12/16 at 14:27:31 Every time a politician or a government agency wants to do something questionable or downright shady, they claim it is in the interest of "National Security".....
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