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Reply #15 - 01/24/16 at 08:40:09
 
A quick and dirty rule in navigation is that a one degree change in course will result in a one mile difference in 60 miles.

Since a motorcycle has a 60" wheelbase the calculation is easy. Wink
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Reply #16 - 01/24/16 at 09:28:54
 
Decreased fork offset, increased trail?
Pictures didn't seem right..
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Reply #17 - 01/24/16 at 09:38:21
 
Yep....when I installed the RM400 triple trees it pulled the fork tubes back about 1.5 inches, and got me to almost 5" of trail.  MMRanch rode the bike once at the Dragon, and he said at the first turn he came to it felt like he "was trying to bend a board"!  Since then I went back to a stock offset and the bike feels much more nimble.  Using the level on my cell phone I measured 28 degrees - but it may not be all that accurate.  RYCA claims something like 29 degrees for their Cafe bike.

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Reply #18 - 01/24/16 at 09:42:34
 
Kris01 wrote on 01/23/16 at 14:01:11:
Stock:
Rake = 35°
Trail = 147 mm

With 2" taller rear shocks:
Rake = 34.9994°
Trail = 146.7038 mm

I think those numbers are right. Anyone wanna verify my math?  Grin


2" taller shocks will lift the rear about an inch.
wheelbase is 58"
the angle is inverse sin (1/58) = .99°

give or take a mile   Grin
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Reply #19 - 01/24/16 at 10:09:20
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/16 at 09:28:54:
Decreased fork offset, increased trail?
Pictures didn't seem right..



I went back, looked at the pictures.
The Swoop at the bottom of the fork was less, and the distance appeared to be less in the picture, yet the words accompanying the picture state
Decreased fork offset, increased trail,
And that is counterintuitive and seems to conflict with the picture.
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Reply #20 - 01/24/16 at 10:16:47
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/16 at 10:09:20:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/16 at 09:28:54:
Decreased fork offset, increased trail?
Pictures didn't seem right..



I went back, looked at the pictures.
The Swoop at the bottom of the fork was less, and the distance appeared to be less in the picture, yet the words accompanying the picture state
Decreased fork offset, increased trail,
And that is counterintuitive and seems to conflict with the picture.


decrease fork offset = moving the axle back towards the steering axis.

this will increase trail.
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Reply #21 - 01/24/16 at 13:20:16
 
verslagen1 wrote on 01/24/16 at 09:42:34:
2" taller shocks will lift the rear about an inch.


Then my numbers are off.  Wink
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Reply #22 - 01/24/16 at 21:46:56
 
I have always thought that the line through the forks and then the greater distance between that line and the axle equals
More trail, because the axle Leads the fork by More.
I can't wrap my head around a larger Swoop in bicycle forks equalling Less trail.

I'm gonna need an article, something... This is not clicking.
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Reply #23 - 01/25/16 at 06:38:44
 
look at the pic on the first page. By moving the wheel center forward with a curved fork, you're decreasing the trail. The imaginary line drawn through the steering axis doesn't change.
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Reply #24 - 01/25/16 at 18:42:19
 
Poor example but this should get my point across. The only difference is the wheel center has moved forward.
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Reply #25 - 01/25/16 at 20:50:36
 
That works, thank you very much.
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Reply #26 - 01/25/16 at 21:24:45
 
Now, if someone would explain the handling characteristics of each of those drawings and kinda walk me through it, id be less confused.
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Reply #27 - 01/25/16 at 21:37:08
 
nothing like experience jog

you gotta pipe bender?

make up a test bike.
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Reply #28 - 01/25/16 at 22:37:41
 
I don't think I need to understand that badly.
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Reply #29 - 01/26/16 at 17:01:50
 
I THINK trail determines how hard you have to pull/push the bars to turn.

I know the rake angle determines how fast the front end responds to rider inputs. If you're forks are too vertical the bike becomes "twitchy" and unstable. If you like the really raked look you're sacrificing handling for the "cool" factor. Somewhere in between is a good compromise.
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