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dodfather YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 6	fork rake 01/23/16 at 08:36:20 have a 1991 savage. don't like the rake can I swap complete front end to reduce rake.if so what fits. thans....ray.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28414 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #1 - 01/23/16 at 09:33:28 No easy way to do it... with the front end. You can raise the rear end with 2" taller shocks. This will alter a front rake little, and give decent suspension on the rear at the same time...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28825 L.A. California Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #2 - 01/23/16 at 10:10:43
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28414 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #3 - 01/23/16 at 10:22:07 That bike has no pedals...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28825 L.A. California Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #4 - 01/23/16 at 10:29:29 Many 80's suzuki GS series bikes have the same head tube and bearings.
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springman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2203 Spring, Texas Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #5 - 01/23/16 at 11:24:58 Just want to make sure I understand. If I put taller rear shocks on the bike, this will decrease the rake angle slightly and that should produce slightly quicker steering response? Is that correct?
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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #6 - 01/23/16 at 11:33:39 Yes. Verslagen's diagram is not quite right for a motorcycle. Rake is not measured from the forks. It's measured from the steering axis. They are one and the same in the above pictures for the bicycle. Our forks are offset from the steering axis.
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 17888 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #7 - 01/23/16 at 12:36:43 Installing taller shocks helps to make the forks more vertical....and on the Cafe' conversions we also drop the front forks a couple of inches. Or....you can cut the frame at the steering head and change the rake.
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Re: fork rake
Reply #8 - 01/23/16 at 12:52:52

Kris01 wrote on 01/23/16 at 11:33:39:

Verslagen's diagram is not quite right for a motorcycle. Rake is not measured from the forks. It's measured from the steering axis. They are one and the same in the above pictures for the bicycle. Our forks are offset from the steering axis.

I made that assumption initially too, but look again the line is on the steering axis.

m/c forks are offset from the steering axis at the head tube so it's easy to measure the fork offset or rake.

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wolfsgrin Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 69 Bentonville, AR Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #9 - 01/23/16 at 13:09:57 You could find some 1.5-3" raked neck cups and a longer steering stem.Then reverse them bringing the rake in instead of out. Would look good on a savage streetfighter with some gators.
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Re: fork rake
Reply #10 - 01/23/16 at 13:41:03

Kris01 wrote on 01/23/16 at 11:33:39:

Verslagen's diagram is not quite right for a motorcycle. Rake is not measured from the forks. It's measured from the steering axis. They are one and the same in the above pictures for the bicycle. Our forks are offset from the steering axis.

Yeah, I was just clarifying. The forks on a bicycle are usually on the same plane as the steering axis. I guess there could be some bicycles with offset forks. Since our forks have an offset to the steering axis, I thought I'd better point that out so someone doesn't get confused.

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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #11 - 01/23/16 at 14:01:11 Stock: Rake = 35° Trail = 147 mm With 2" taller rear shocks: Rake = 34.9994° Trail = 146.7038 mm I think those numbers are right. Anyone wanna verify my math?
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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #12 - 01/23/16 at 21:10:59 I didn't do any math but the change in rake must be at least 1degree. I am a bit tired , and drunk, right now. but it has to be more than a fraction of a degree.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: fork rake Reply #13 - 01/23/16 at 22:03:31 A fork isn't a very good rake. And a spoon isn't a very good shovel.
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Art Webb Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3007 columbus, Texas Gender:	Re: fork rake Reply #14 - 01/24/16 at 07:58:26 Serowbot wrote on 01/23/16 at 10:22:07: That bike has no pedals... it's a velocipede!
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