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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #60 - 01/06/16 at 02:46:18

http://www.cnet.com/news/windows-10-use-inches-up-as-microsoft-exec-disses-wi...

Windows 10 budges a bit as masses cling to Windows 7 it's British, what can you say ....

"Microsoft's Windows 10 is free for Windows 7 and 8.1 users, but people aren't exactly rushing to upgrade.

The latest version of the Windows software, released in late July, snagged a 9.96 percent share of all Web traffic generated by desktop operating systems in December, tracking company NetMarketShare said Friday. That's up from 9 percent in November, continuing a tepid pace for Windows 10 following an initial burst of energy in the first month after the software hit the market.

The British language publication also alludes to the thought that MS has started outright lying in their press releases now as part of their "calculated threat" implementation.

"The report is in sharp contrast to Microsoft's upbeat announcement Monday that Windows 10 has seen an "incredible response" with more than 200 million devices worldwide running the software. That number includes tablets and smartphones, not just desktop PCs. The company also said that Windows 10 adoption is accelerating, with more than 40 percent of new Windows 10 devices having been activated since Black Friday in late November.

"Windows 10 continues to be on the fastest growth trajectory of any version of Windows -- ever -- outpacing Windows 7 by nearly 140 percent and Windows 8 by nearly 400 percent," Yusuf Mehdi, the head of Microsoft's Windows and Devices Group."

0.96 of one percent growth last month is NOT " the fastest growth trajectory of any version of Windows -- ever -- outpacing Windows 7 by nearly 140 percent and Windows 8 by nearly 400 percent,"

This article also covers the new "calculated level of threat" that is being pushed out in addition to the BS press releases.

"The software giant has aggressively been trying to coax people to shift to Windows 10, pushing the upgrade through frequent pop-up reminders for Windows 7 and 8.1 users. The company classified Windows 10 as an "optional update" last year. Microsoft expects to change that to "recommended update" early this year.

Microsoft is so keen to shift people to Windows 10 that one executive has begun striking a note of caution about Windows 7. "Windows 10 is a much better place than Windows 7," Microsoft marketing chief Chris Capossela said last week on the Windows Weekly podcast.

We do worry when people are running an operating system that's 10 years old that the next printer they buy isn't going to work well, or they buy a new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn't work on a bunch of older machines," Capossela said, apparently referring to Windows 7, according to a transcript of the interview from BetaNews.

The comment is odd because Windows 7 is six years old and still seems healthy. Microsoft discontinued free support for Windows 7 a year ago, but paid support will continue to 2020. Bug fixes, patches and other updates will also keep rolling out until the end of this decade, ensuring that Windows 7 will remain protected against malware and other threats."

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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #61 - 01/06/16 at 03:12:25

Next, the CES show is coming up with a few newly "announced" Windows 10 phones and tablets that companies around the globe are slowly saying they are going to put forth -- as soon as Win 10 Phone settles in and becomes a bit more stable that is.

Sad to say, most of these new announced in stock right now phones were built off of old MS data sheet recommendations from early of last year, from vendors who wound up actually making up a small warehouse stock of phones which are NOT covered by the current list of approved MS Win 10 phones.

You know, the short list of phones that MS says Win 10 Phone is currently claimed to actually work well with?

Can you say "Built to fail"?

MS is being crushed by a reality vise right now -- No PHONES -- no apps -- vendors that were bribed to put out new phone versions to old spec sheets finding that they built phones that won't work right at the moment. This is all capped off by a "free" PC changeover plan that is "barely budging" at 0.96 of one percent growth last month.

(Christmas month for crying out loud, to make it jest a little more sharply pointed on the business end of the stick)

Feel the knurling on them vice jaws yet, MS?

To put some stinky brown icing on this poo pie, the real world users who are currently buying up some of last year's hardware that is being sold off at sharp discounts right now are finding they CANNOT change OS systems easily as the boot loaders on the new Win 10 equipment are being restricted on purpose.

MS will quickly see that if you can't load an alternate OS on it, nobody wants the hardware ....

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When MS now has to make patently false press releases saying "Windows 10 continues to be on the fastest growth trajectory of any version of Windows -- ever -- outpacing Windows 7 by nearly 140 percent and Windows 8 by nearly 400 percent" statements which immediately get tossed back at them by the press, well then MS is in trouble yet again.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10 Reply #62 - 01/06/16 at 06:04:20 Are you saying it's a technological tug of war and MS is trying to shoot their competition down inside the computer laying on some desk somewhere, the owner WANTING Linux, and MS changing it overnight? And the owners of those computers can't sue MS?
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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #64 - 01/06/16 at 08:34:19

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/06/16 at 06:04:20:

Are you saying it's a technological tug of war and MS is trying to shoot their competition down inside the computer laying on some desk somewhere, the owner WANTING Linux, and MS changing it overnight? And the owners of those computers can't sue MS?

No, I am trying to say that before you buy a new Win 10 laptop or desktop stop and check to see if it CAN load an alternate OS before you buy it. ASK "Can this device dual boot Linux? If it can't, can I bring it back for a refund?" If the answer is no, or "I dunno." simply don't buy the device. Vendors will quickly learn that EFI lockouts mean units sitting in stock unsold at any price. Manufacturers CAN reflash the device, and they WILL do this before they let the the devices shelf-rot for 2 years and become hardware obsolete.

Locking you out of loading an alternate OS takes two parties -- MS who is already there and ready and the vendor who built the machine who has to set the EFI software up to exclude loading other OS products on reboot and flash the bios that way on to the device at manufacture.

EFI SafeBoot has to be set up at the manufacturing plant to exclude all other OS products. Some vendors will do that, some vendors won't do that -- but a bribe built (MS financially supported) machine is always set up to EXCLUDE other OS products as part of the support deal.

Most fan clubs will figure out ways to beat the EFI lockouts on a favorite device given a year or so, but this takes a lot of time and effort on somebody's part -- it is a lot simpler and safer for you to find out before buying the hardware in question.

For Microsoft to redo an existing machine to change the EFI settings during a nightly foray would be very stupid and good ol' Woody says "MS isn't stupid enough to do that -- oh, that's right, I said that once before MS would never flip a machine over automatically AND MS WAS INDEED STUPID ENOUGH TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT .... (by accident, of course, according to MS after the fact)"

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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #66 - 01/09/16 at 19:07:24

http://chromebookvswindows.com/

http://chromebookvswindows.com/

Click on it and read it, or what follows won't make sense to you. This rebuttal was written by an educator, using a chromebook. Just another pissed off teacher who hates being lied to by MS (again).

This is a response to a recent MS "Cromebooks vs Laptops" comparison ad page which got so many severe slam comments in the comments section it actually started to get some early journalistic press reports for MS actively misleading and lying to people yet again.

Microsoft pulled the page and all the ads completely when the stink got to be too much. It is gone now or else I'd post a link to it. But since the link at the top is an item by item rebuttal, you pretty much get the sense of what MS said.

However, the actively pursued rebuttal STILL continues with people in the Education Sector taking a very strong position about MS actively lying to school children and parents. And the educators are posting comparison pages of their own now --- built by real users.

So, MS is making friends all over the place yet again ......

Digital Trends early on caught the trick that MS was comparing $200 Chromebooks to full 4 gigs of memory and full sized hard drive equipped $600 top end MS machines --- they posted the same sorts of comparisons back to a real world same price range MS CLOUDBOOK and folks were surprised that some of the MS software suites mentioned in the original comparison wouldn't even LOAD on the limited resources available on the real same price range MS Cloudbook machines.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/can-a-windows-cloudbook-steal-the-chro...

Go Microsoft, go ..... go stub your other big toe on a nail or something. You need to even out your bleeding toe limp some with some blood coming from the other foot.

ASS-U-ME-ing that educators are not smart enough to understand your brown vapor BS PR stuff is really not very smart -- since these guys ADMINISTER the Chromebooks under their control (no IT department is needed for this servicing) they DO understand Chromebooks very very well.

And being educators, they can do basic math too. And think for themselves. And write scathing rebuttals when you lie to them too.

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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #68 - 01/09/16 at 22:00:16

The new Win 10 devices with EFI Safe Boot restrictions are pissing off the general FOSS community now, which is stupid for MS to be doing right now.

They are motivating a new organized cooperative consortium effort to blend the best features of the old Linux Ubuntu world in with the new Chrome/Android world that is shaping up as we speak.

AMD just contributed all of Vulcan and its predecessors into an open source gaming standard initiative as well (Microsoft took a pass at buying up AMD to get hold of its gaming standards and graphics capabilities, so AMD gave it to FOSS to keep MS from getting it).

Please remember, Android and Chrome ARE open source Linux projects and Google turns all their stuff loose at the end of every year, so Linus and the kernel boys do pick up any good new tricks in a timely fashion and all the various Distro boys do pick up drivers and new methodologies as well. And vice versa -- Google uses open source code in Android as well.

The Android world is ORGANIC and self-growing. Expect Google 7.0 to pull a lot of source code from a lot of the FOSS guys who are churning it out now and for Google to make it an organized documented part of the Android standard and put the needed development tools right into the Android 7.0 Tool Kit.

By the time Android 8.0 rolls around MS will have a much much LARGER set of worldwide competitors to kick their sorry lying butts around the playground.

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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #69 - 01/09/16 at 22:03:12

Can't dual boot, so what to do? Dump win 10.... and load what you have.
But you are still buying a windows system and they get kudo's for the sale.
If you absolutely need windows on your new system... oh well, just go buy a used laptop and load up what you want on it for your secondary system.
And that's the way its going to be, because Microsoft doesn't care..... it is still making billions. Sad

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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #70 - 01/09/16 at 22:09:54

I think Americans like powerful hardware (we like hot rods too).

So, the new Android 7.0 - 8.0 devices will cost $250-$350 for a top of the line power unit.

Depending on how well Google organizes this Android change up, MS will have a real competitor as far as features, capabilities, etc. on a local load system that costs HUNDREDS of dollars less than a comparable MS system.

Google says they are going to keep Chromebooks going for the educators and students, so it may get aimed more and more for that market and let Android take over the phones/tablets/local loaded laptops realms.

Android just grew a simplified BIOS system, so Android software can now run against multiple types of processors/units without needing a manufacturer's customized Android for every off the wall device as was needed in years past.

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Microsoft cannot win now if limited to telling the truth and competing honestly --- so they are locking folks in synthetically with Win 10 EFI Secure Boot (without telling them, btw) and pushing FUD at everything else.

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Re: Microsoft Apologizes for Windows 10
Reply #71 - 01/09/16 at 22:33:05

old_rider wrote on 01/09/16 at 22:03:12:

Can't dual boot, so what to do? Dump win 10.... and load what you have.
But you are still buying a windows system and they get kudo's for the sale.
If you absolutely need windows on your new system... oh well, just go buy a used laptop and load up what you want on it for your secondary system.
And that's the way its going to be, because Microsoft doesn't care..... it is still making billions. Sad

I think EFI Secure Boot is a Bios Level thing, not a hard drive thing. You might re-format your hard drive and find (just like the guy in the article you posted about) that you SIMPLY CANNOT load and boot from any other operating system because the Bios Level Secure Boot prom won't let you go past the first steps in the new booting sequence.

This is why vendors who do what MS asks them to do had better be getting paid a lot of money for it because Americans in general (and Walmart and Best Buy) are going to treat this like a warranty issue and let the builder/vendor eat the returns.

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