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Is "brand" worth the price?
12/12/15 at 05:53:30
 

I'm looking at a bigger bike. I like the HD Dyna & 883 styling. I also like the Honda Shadow Spirit styling. Looking at the 2008 & up models, comparing both "brands" and HOLY $#!t what a price difference.

2008 Harley Davidson Dyna: $6000 - $15,500
vs.
2008 Honda Shadow Spirit: $2999 - $4499

Similar mileage and stuff, but a price difference that is baffling.  Shocked

How do owners justify the pricing difference?
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Re: Is "brand" worth the price?
Reply #1 - 12/12/15 at 06:17:55
 
Rat,

I like Harleys but the cost of ownership is out of this world. If you can afford a Harley their service departments are by far the best and most knowledgeable of any brand, and they stock parts for their products.

Most Hondas are about as trouble free as anything you can buy and that results in really low cost of ownership. About the only thing you have to do to a Honda is change the oil, spark plugs and tires.

If you are buying a used bike try to buy one that was stored in a garage. Most bikes don't weather well when stored outdoors.

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Reply #2 - 12/12/15 at 07:11:26
 
the Sportster 883 is the better bike and the better price ... get the modle with forward controls to begin with or you'll pay extra later.  Wink
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Reply #3 - 12/12/15 at 08:07:07
 
In my mind there is no way to justify the HD over the Honda Shadow Spirit with that type of price differential. The Spirit is a very good looking bike and everything I have read about it is good.
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Reply #4 - 12/12/15 at 08:46:03
 
The Harley name matters, when you buy it, and when you sell it...

The 883 wins hands down over the Dyna... reliability wise.

That said,.. as much as I hate the added complexity of water cooling,... my Sportster hates Arizona summer heat...

Not a big fan of the Honda 750 either, but if you like it, buy it...
Shaft drives are trouble free, until they aren't... (you generally don't fix them, you replace them... oouchie price)....
IIRC, some Shadows are chain drive, some are shaft...
A gamble or a PIA... Huh

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Reply #5 - 12/12/15 at 09:03:39
 
I'm not planning on riding in our Arizona summers Bot.

It's just too hot for me. I sweat my arse off just riding in my truck with the A/C maxed out with shorts and flip flops. No way I could handle riding in full leathers.
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Reply #6 - 12/12/15 at 09:25:19
 
In that case, a Sporty 06' to 12' can be bought for $3,500 to $5,500,... and will hold that value much longer than a Honda...
About $1,000 premium over a Honda, but it will hold that value...

Mine is FI,.. I would have preferred a carb, because I know carbs... but, the FI is fairly good.
2-up riding is not standard and is kinda' pricey...

People that don't ride, will like your bike... Grin...

JMHO,.. lot's of Honda fans out there.
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Reply #7 - 12/12/15 at 09:32:27
 
no 2-up riding for me!

Not going for the ooh ahh factor either, just reliability and some decent power when I need it.

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Reply #8 - 12/12/15 at 09:32:49
 
what is it about those model year sportsters that doesn't command the huge difference in price?
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Reply #9 - 12/12/15 at 09:58:21
 
Sportster is, or was, the "entry level" Harley...  
The Super-Low lists at $8500 new...

Some "real" Harley guys, don't even think of them a "real" Harleys.
... but,.. they are mechanically better, and they are the performance engine of choice,...
The big Harley "Twin Cam" engines have top-end problems.
Stay away, unless you have money to burn...

http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.biz/beforeyoubuyharley.html
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Reply #10 - 12/12/15 at 10:07:02
 
thanks for the link Bot, I'll be back after reading
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Reply #11 - 12/12/15 at 11:39:27
 
great info in the article Bot. Thanks for sharing!

Honda Shadow Spirit it is, for now!
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Reply #12 - 12/12/15 at 14:23:23
 
The 1100 Shadow is an outstanding motorcycle and I don't know why Honda quit making it.  If I could find one with reasonable low miles I would be very interested.  I see them for sale and they are always have 40k - 50k.

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Reply #13 - 12/12/15 at 16:46:34
 
I think that James Russell dude favors the 1200 Custom Sportster. If I was going to buy a newer Sportster, I would favor it. Bigger gas tank and more power. That gas tank is around the size of a Savage gas tank. I doubt you'll get far on that tank with the bigger engine and heavier bike. Harleys generally aren't known for fuel mileage (probably not as bad as the big twins, though Wink). What is worse is the tank shape and that stinkin' Harley air cleaner Angry. I sat on an 883, and one annoying thing is that I can't really hug the tank with my knees, and that stupid air cleaner is sticking out to bash your shin. The 1200 tank is at least wider, I think. I've never sat on one, though.

I've never ridden a Harley, and I am guessing that Serowbot owns an 883, or something, so he would be a better judge than I am. From what I gather, it's not all that much faster than a well-tuned Savage, so if speed or acceleration is a concern, then you certainly want a 1200.

If I ever buy a Harley, my first choice would be a Sportster-- Ironhead or Evo, but I'd really consider an Ironhead because I like kickstart Cheesy. Sportsters are small, light(er) and, amongst Harleys-- dirt cheap Wink.

If I bought a big twin, it would probably be an old, cheap blockhead (Evo) or shovelhead. No twin cam crap for me! Wink

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Reply #14 - 12/12/15 at 17:14:56
 
DesertRat wrote on 12/12/15 at 05:53:30:
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2008 Harley Davidson Dyna: $6000 - $15,500
vs.
2008 Honda Shadow Spirit: $2999 - $4499

Comparing apples and cherries -- the Dana is 1,573cc originally about $14K, the Spirit is 745cc and sold for less than $7K.

Look at 2008 Sportsters, 883cc or 1200, and you can see bikes for $3K-6K.  
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