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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #30 - 12/13/15 at 08:05:11 oldNslow, Good looking bike. But, I'm 5'8" and 160-180 lbs (before/after morning constitution). I like the smaller/lighter bikes that I don't have to rassle around with during commutes. No "touring" for me as my hands and arms go numb from multiple thoracic vertebrae injuries from off-roading.
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Reply #31 - 12/13/15 at 08:34:41

cheapnewb24 wrote on 12/12/15 at 21:56:06:

Considering the engine size and weight comparison, why on earth does the Savage gas mileage suck so badly? You'd think that a lighter bike with a smaller engine would do better than a big twin.

Are big singles at an efficiency disadvantage, or is it something else?

Cheapnewb have you ever heard a big twin at highway speed? that big boy is ticking over around 1500-200 RPM, at a guess
The Savage is spinning along at 4000 or thereabouts
my fuelly dashboard (when I kept up with it) had my MPG anywhere from 35-48, depending what I did with that tank of gas
gears make MPG if you have the power to push them
the S40 doesn't

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Reply #32 - 12/13/15 at 08:37:11

The Honda is lighter than a Sporty...
The Honda is only about a 8 or 10 pony jump from a stock Savage..
A Sporty is about a 20 pony jump...

Torque?... the Sporty is a freight train... Huh

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I'm not making this any easier, am I... Grin

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EDIT,... wrist trouble?... go with the Honda... Even with rubber engine mounting, the Sporty does vvvvibrate.

PS, cheap.... I do get 54 to 60mpg on the Sporty, even at 75+ highway.... and I have a 4.5 gallon tank....

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Art Webb Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3007 columbus, Texas Gender:	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #33 - 12/13/15 at 08:50:23 Sero what flavor of sporty you got that has a 4.5 gallon tank? I see so many 'peanut' tanks on sproties I boggle at the thought of a 4.5
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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #34 - 12/13/15 at 08:55:50 yeah Bot, you're making it worse I forgot I broke my right wrist playing cowboy stagecoach shotgunner. Single handed, 12GA 3" Magnum shells. Dumbass move I know
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Reply #35 - 12/13/15 at 08:57:58

DesertRat wrote on 12/13/15 at 08:05:11:

oldNslow,

Good looking bike. But, I'm 5'8" and 160-180 lbs (before/after morning constitution).

I like the smaller/lighter bikes that I don't have to rassle around with during commutes. No "touring" for me as my hands and arms go numb from multiple thoracic vertebrae injuries from off-roading.

Yup. I'm 5'6", 170 with my gear on, and older than dirt. The VTX is a real handful at parking lot speeds and/or pushing it around the garage. Out on the road it's a different story, but it's still too big for me.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28660 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #36 - 12/13/15 at 09:20:47 Art Webb wrote on 12/13/15 at 08:50:23: Sero what flavor of sporty you got that has a 4.5 gallon tank? I see so many 'peanut' tanks on sproties I boggle at the thought of a 4.5 Super-Low... my buddies Shadow 750 behind it...
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Reply #37 - 12/13/15 at 09:27:35

On the whole mpg thing, it might be nice to add that the Royal Enfield Bullet seems to get a little better mpg. It has a bit smaller displacement and a taller 5th gear. http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/royal_enfield/bullet

At 6500, the Savage is going 97 or so mph whereas the bullet is doing 108 or so mph. I think the Bullet peaks hp a little lower rpm than the Savage, but I don't think that matters quite so much, does it?
Considering the difference in displacement, the Enfield really seems to kick the Savage's butt when it comes to power. If I remember correctly, about 27hp and torque at least 30 ft lbs or more. Yeah, its less than the Savage is rated but--sheesh Tongue

-- for 150 cc difference, that sure makes the Savage look bad!

Maybe there are some design issues that hurt our thumper's fuel efficiency besides the counterbalancer? Maybe there's some hope for a fuel efficient Savage?

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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #38 - 12/13/15 at 09:39:39 DesertRat wrote on 12/13/15 at 08:55:50: yeah Bot, you're making it worse I forgot I broke my right wrist playing cowboy stagecoach shotgunner. Single handed, 12GA 3" Magnum shells. Dumbass move I know Wow! I'll remember that the next time I entertain the thought of shooting a 12 Ga. single handed!
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Art Webb Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3007 columbus, Texas Gender:	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #39 - 12/13/15 at 09:41:00 Current Bullets are FI and 500 CC IIRC Nice Sporty Sero
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28660 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #40 - 12/13/15 at 09:48:16 Geared to redline at 108, don't mean it'll go 108... Maybe off a tall cliff... ...
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #41 - 12/13/15 at 09:50:06 Maybe not, but it might get better fuel mileage at 60 mph I used 6500 rpm as a reference point.
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DesertRat Serious Thumper Offline I love rat bikes! Posts: 1569 Arizona	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #42 - 12/13/15 at 09:50:10 Art, you bring up a great point. One of the reasons I'm looking at another bike, '08 and newer, is for the FI.
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cheapnewb24 Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1373 Virginia Gender:	Re: Is "brand" worth the price? Reply #43 - 12/13/15 at 09:54:46 How about maintenance? Are typical EFIs cheap and easy to maintain and repair? How much trouble/$$$$ is it to tune an EFI, assuming all are tunable?
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Reply #44 - 12/13/15 at 09:58:28

cheapnewb24 wrote on 12/13/15 at 09:54:46:

How about maintenance? Are typical EFIs cheap and easy to maintain and repair? How much trouble/$$$$ is it to tune an EFI, [i]assuming all are tunable?[/i]

can't be any worse than trying to tune our savage! Or tune to get rid of that annoying backfire and shutoff fart we have!

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