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Reply #15 - 12/12/15 at 17:44:50
 
After reading all this I have to say that I was talking about the Honda Shadow Spirit 1100 not the 750. The 1100 is the bike all the good stuff is written about.
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Reply #16 - 12/12/15 at 19:10:13
 
Hate to burst Cheapnewb's bubble, but me and Springman have seen a Tour Gide (yup, big twin with tupperware) knock out 55MPG on the freeway
to be fair, that was at 55 MPH
My Savage won't do that mileage at highway speeds
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Reply #17 - 12/12/15 at 20:08:31
 
That's true that Steve got that MPG on that one leg from the campground heading to Atlanta. But if I recall correctly I got over 60 mpg on that same stretch on me thumper.
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Reply #18 - 12/12/15 at 20:15:43
 
Your average Big Twin gets at least 50 mpg. Even old Pans. My 1920 HD Sportwin (fore and aft flat twin) averaged in the mid 70s. Even the 93 Evo that kept grenading engines and gear boxes averaged 54 mpg.

My 2003 Savage has turned in a best of 59.5 on the highway. My 98 averaged 75 mpg with stock jetting and handlebar, dropped to a high of 36 mpg with oversize jets and handlebar.

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Reply #19 - 12/12/15 at 21:56:06
 
Considering the engine size and weight comparison, why on earth does the Savage gas mileage suck so badly? You'd think that a lighter bike with a smaller engine would do better than a big twin.

Are big singles at an efficiency disadvantage, or is it something else?
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Reply #20 - 12/12/15 at 22:09:05
 
DesertRat
you should know that ... pre 04 Sportsters are NOT rubber mounted motors and will "Vibrate-your-A$$-OFF",

you should also know a 1200 is just an 883 with bigger Pistons and a taller primary gear.

you should also know those bigger pistons are not as well balanced as the 883 pistons.

04-06 = carbed with rubber mount
07-15 = FI with rubber mount

The taller primary can be had on Ebay cheep
Some folks will tell you an 883 converted to 1200 is better ... Thats because they have the lower 883 primary and the 1200 power , they are QUICK !  Shocked Shocked Shocked  but are geared to redline 5th gear about 115mph   the taller gear would redline 5th about 150mph.

Those Honda's with 40-50K miles have or will soon have cam-chains rattling (X-2 of them) --- Harleys have pushrods and Hydrolic lifters that never need anything but clean oil.

Just things to contemplate ...  Huh     The S-40 cam chain is easy !  Smiley
I get about the same MPG on my Sportster and my S-40 --- but they have simulator windshields .  Wink
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Reply #21 - 12/12/15 at 22:13:56
 
Here is some mpg data (Fuelly) on various HD models and the Savage/S40

I have noticed that Fuelly is not exactly optimistic, but I think it's supposed to be real or something. Feel free to share your experiences or opinions with this site.

http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/harley_davidson/sportster_xl1200_custom
http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/harley_davidson/xl_883n_iron
http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/harley_davidson/flhtk
http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/harley_davidson/dyna_lowrider_fxdl
http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/suzuki/s40_boulevard
http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/suzuki/ls650_savage

The thumpers, on the average, report higher fuel mileage. The Harleys tend to hover in the 30's and 40's, typically. The Sportys hover somewhere around 45 mpg.

It does appear to show that thumper mileage varies widely.
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Reply #22 - 12/12/15 at 22:48:24
 
Since changing to the Dyna muffler and rejetting, my 2013 S40 I am only getting about 45 MPG. I ride mostly rural roads and seldom get above 60 MPH.

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Reply #23 - 12/13/15 at 06:20:21
 
cheapnewb24 wrote on 12/12/15 at 21:56:06:
Considering the engine size and weight comparison, why on earth does the Savage gas mileage suck so badly? You'd think that a lighter bike with a smaller engine would do better than a big twin.

Are big singles at an efficiency disadvantage, or is it something else?



I think that's a reasonable question, and one that I don't Know the answer to. I'm trying to envision Why, ahhh, here,,I may have a clue.

The big single has a counter balance that is separate from the crank, and it doesn't swing itself. It's a parasitic load. A twin uses a HP producing piston and rod to counter the other, along with weight on the crank. I'd think that,ideally, the engine design that requires the least amount of weight for balancing would be a good engine, in terms of efficiency.

Now, Dave may have some ideas and maybe they will agree with mine, or, maybe not. I Would suggest, though, that If Dave comes in, disagrees, explains it all, as long as he can do that and not just rub my nose in it, I won't be forced to go scrape about fifty stars off his column on the scoreboard.
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Reply #24 - 12/13/15 at 06:42:47
 
I hate buying stuff. Now with this additional info from y'all, I'm back on the fence.

883 vs. 48 vs. Spirit

the 48 is way too much money, beautiful bike, but cost prohibitive right now.

Sportster/Iron 883 vs. Spirit

I may just go by price if I can find a really low mile '08 and newer for a smokin' deal.

Not interested in joining the HD fanboy club, just looking for reliability and more power.
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Reply #25 - 12/13/15 at 07:02:10
 
Honda Shadow Spirit 750
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Reply #26 - 12/13/15 at 07:02:53
 
HD Sportster
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Reply #27 - 12/13/15 at 07:03:50
 
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Reply #28 - 12/13/15 at 07:46:02
 
arrgh ... maybe just get a newer model Triumph Bonneville

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Reply #29 - 12/13/15 at 07:53:49
 
DesertRat,

If you are looking for a used rather than new bike, you might want to take a look at a low mileage Honda VTX1300C if you can find one. My son has had one for the past three years, and it's a really nice bike. I think Honda stopped making that exact model in 2008, but they use the same motor in a few current bikes. Clean  06,07 and 08 models show up on craigslist around here in the 4 to 5 thousand dollar range.

It's a physically a much bigger bike than either the Shadow or the Sportster, although I don't think its any heavier than the HD. One carb, shaft final drive, and the C version, which I think is the better looking variation, has cast wheels with tubeless tires, smaller fenders, and footpegs instead of boards.



http://cruiser.mototribe.com/motorcycles/honda-vtx-1300-c/specs
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