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12/04/15 at 10:57:50
 
C'mon folks, lets call this terrorist activity around the world for what it is....
It is nothing more than a new Crusade enacted for the very same reasons the original Crusade took place.

The only thing that has changed is the date, and the name of a religion, these murderous zealots use to exucute their twisted idelogy.

We can go down many a rabbit hole but we will end up at the same destination and truth.
CNN can try and blame Christians aginst planned parenthood, and Obama can blame the gun, but that won't change the outcome or the truth about these folks who do these heinous acts.

It is NOT the same as Nazi Germany, or any other tyranny, it is folk who are dis-connected from rational thought.

And yes, it is revealing some weakeness in everyones armour.
The sky is not falling down, but folks better grow up and become atuned to the truth of the situation, or Rome will indeed burn once more....
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Reply #1 - 12/04/15 at 11:44:00
 
I agree 100%...
The disagreement comes in including all of Islam as the enemy...

I don't want a war with 800 million people..  I just want to destroy this idiot faction of perhaps 100,000 people or so...
.0001%... of Muslims are the enemy...
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Reply #2 - 12/04/15 at 12:43:45
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 11:44:00:
I agree 100%...
The disagreement comes in including all of Islam as the enemy...

I don't want a war with 800 million people..  I just want to destroy this idiot faction of perhaps 100,000 people or so...
.0001%... of Muslims are the enemy...



How many idiots include all of them bot?

Honestly, show me an organization that is promoting this, not some fringe, I want someone that has the means to deliever on the threat you mention.

I'll wait.
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Reply #3 - 12/04/15 at 12:47:13
 
huh?... Huh...
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Reply #4 - 12/04/15 at 14:02:30
 
Who includes all of them?
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Reply #5 - 12/04/15 at 15:20:14
 
You include them, when you refer to the terrorists as "Islamic Terrorists",.. or, call this a Crusade...
Same as if I call that recent abortion clinic shooter a Christian Terrorist...

Nobody liked it, when I said that...
Now, put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim American,... or any Muslim trying to live a peaceful life...

No need to offend innocent people,.. and no need to legitimize the ISIS/Daesh cause by associating them with all of Islam.

They're just a band of thugs,.. with delusions of grandiose...
Screw them...
Call them Daesh... Cool...


Why Isis will hate it if we start calling them Daesh
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/why-isis-will-hate-it-if-we-start-calli...
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Daesh, an adapted acronym of their Arabic name - Dawlat al-Islamiyah f'al-Iraq w Belaad al-Sham - is similar to another Arabic word - das - which means 'to trample down' or 'crush', which could therefore be the source of their dislike.
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Reply #6 - 12/04/15 at 16:33:25
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 15:20:14:
You include them, when you refer to the terrorists as "Islamic Terrorists",.. or, call this a Crusade...
Same as if I call that recent abortion clinic shooter a Christian Terrorist...

Nobody liked it, when I said that...
Now, put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim American,... or any Muslim trying to live a peaceful life...

No need to offend innocent people,.. and no need to legitimize the ISIS/Daesh cause by associating them with all of Islam.

They're just a band of thugs,.. with delusions of grandiose...
Screw them...
Call them Daesh... Cool...


Why Isis will hate it if we start calling them Daesh
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/why-isis-will-hate-it-if-we-start-calli...
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Daesh, an adapted acronym of their Arabic name - Dawlat al-Islamiyah f'al-Iraq w Belaad al-Sham - is similar to another Arabic word - das - which means 'to trample down' or 'crush', which could therefore be the source of their dislike.


A very simple question..... I won't hold my breath.

What religion was associated with the Crusades?
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Reply #7 - 12/04/15 at 16:37:16
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 15:20:14:
" ... Same as if I call that recent abortion clinic shooter a Christian Terrorist..."

“ Islamic  Terrorists”

Yes, Agree, not ALL, People that believe in the, ‘Islamic’ Faith, or ALL, ‘Muslims’, are, “Terrorists”.
Most certainly NOT.
But why, be, ’sheep’, to the ones that are?

Got a barrel of Apples, ‘ya roll out the barrel’.  
(Feel a song coming on here)
Then you, ’sort’, the Apples.
Bad ones, throw in the recycle bin.
Good ones ya  keep.
Now, here is one, which, you believe, by all your experience in, ’sorting’ Apples, you, ‘believe’ is bad.
What do you do with it?
Throw it in the recycle bin.  (Not Import)
Or keep it, then later bite into it, and find out it is really, ‘rotten’.

And, the, ’name’.
Let’s say:   “German Nazis”
Well only about 5-10%, of, ‘Germans’, were ‘Nazis’.
And their were, Polish, Italian, Australian, Danish, etc, ’Nazis’.
And a very small % of those people, were, ’Nazis’.

But when someone said:  ’Nazis’.  A person thought about the ideological, base, of that, party.
AND, (most of the time it applied a certain, country).
If someone wanted to describe, a ‘collaborator’, who was from/lived in, a certain Country.
They would put the name of the Country, in front of, ’Nazis’.

So, I believe it is the same with, ‘Muslim/Islamic’  Terrorist.
We say : ‘Muslim Terrorist’, or ‘Islamic Terrorist”.

So where, “Terrorist’, is used, everyone thinks, “Muslim/Islamic”.
Their is Certainly, ’Spanish, Italian, French, Belgian, and American, ect., “Terrorists’"

Now, let’s say, it’s 1942, and 100,000  Germans, wanted to, ‘flee’ into this Country.
And some of them did everything they could to, ’sneak’, into this Country.
And some of those, ‘German Refugees’, (In 1942), did Harm, to people in this Country, one way or another.
(Which Some did, they were called,  ’Spy’s’)
Do you think, the Citizens of this, Country would say: ’No Germans” ?

How about the, ’Irish’.  When the Potato Famine hit.  Lot’s came here, and History shows, their was a lot of animosity about the Irish. In Fact, when the ’Trans Continental Railroad’, tracks were laid, The East side, were Mostly Irish workers, and the West side were mostly Chinese.  Both, cultures, formed, their own, ‘areas/enclaves’, with in a town. And most were associated, with a particular, job.  And, (from History, wasn’t around then), the People of the USA, shunned, them.
And it was, ‘proven’, over time, that they, Became, Up Standing, Contributing, US CITIZENS.

Yet,  YET,  NOT ONE, of ANY of those, (and other)  Groups of people,  EVER SAID:
“We Will Cut Off You Head, If You Do Not Believe The Way We Believe”
NOT ONCE !!!!!!!!!!

Not so, with,  “Terrorists”, coming from the, ‘Muslim/Islamic’, areas of the world.

The Pendulum of, the now, ‘Politically Correct’, has swing Far to FAR, to the  LEFT.

Forgot, how to, ’sort’, the Apples ?
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Reply #8 - 12/04/15 at 17:04:49
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/04/15 at 15:20:14:
" ... Now, put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim American,... or any Muslim trying to live a peaceful life..."


Just after WWI, started, their was a small town, in Minn, that was named:
“New Germany”.
They, ‘re’ named that town,  ‘Harmony”.
After the war was over, they changed the name back to:
’New Germany’.

The, American thought was, (at that time), Germans were bad.
That, Town, of ‘Germans’, did something.
They were, ‘in today's language’, were, ’Proactive’.
They were,   AMERICANS,  which immigrated from Germany.
They were getting, or Had gotten, their, Citizenship.
They WERE,   Americans !

They were NOT,  German people, living in America.
They Were, or were striving to BECOME,   AMERICANS.
They were Living a  PEACEFUL  Life, and were Part, of THIS, Country.
Sure, they wore, ‘Lederhosen’, on special events.
But NOT EVERY DAY.
They Were,  AMERICANS !

How many, ‘Lederhosen’, and how many full, ‘Berkas’, do see today,
in the Airport, at Schools, at Work, on the Street,  Standing in  WELFARE lines ??????

And tell you what,
Their is a  He@@ of a  LOT,  More,  'German Decent People', Living in this Country,
than their  EVER WILL  be, from  the, 'Mesopotamia', area people.
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Reply #9 - 12/04/15 at 17:24:47
 
MSpring......

I am not sure of the reference you make about what a person wears, and how that relates to anything.
Could you please elaborate on what it is you are trying to say, thanks.
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Reply #10 - 12/05/15 at 09:47:23
 
raydawg wrote on 12/04/15 at 17:24:47:
" ... reference you make about what a person wears, and how that relates ..."


OK.  
Let’s say, I, am American, and go to Italy.
I wear, a BB hat, Tennis shoes, Denim jeans, ’T’ Shirt.
Rather easily to ‘profile’, as a American or Canadian.

I don’t intend to stay, I don’t intend to Immigrate, I don’t intend to be part of the Italian citizenship, or become a Italian National. So I wear the BB cap, etc.

If, I Intended to Stay, and  BECOME, a Part of the Italian Culture.
I would change my dress, to that of the current, Italian, style when I could.

If I do NOT, No reason to change. Because I do NOT, truly Want, to be part of that Culture.

That is just one small thing, of the many things, someone does, who Wants to BE PART of this Country.

Then, their is just the plain old, ‘Courtesy’.
In the US, rather common to use a empty beer bottle as a ash tray, and put your buts in in.
In some, European countries, that is very frowned upon.
So, what do you do. ’Not use it as a ash tray’?
Or say:  “This is what we do where I come from, so, you must also do it”.
And many more examples.    

A Phrase was coined a Long time ago:
“The Ugly American”.
Describing a American, totally ignorant of local culture/customs, and judge everything by American standards.

Last time you heard someone say that?  Probably, not to long ago.
When was the last time you heard someone say: ‘Ugly Muslim” ?
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Reply #11 - 12/05/15 at 09:52:44
 
When in Rome...  Huh...

It's just polite, to be polite...


Muslim's aren't trying to be impolite,.. their garb is a part of their religious doctrine.
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Reply #12 - 12/05/15 at 10:22:23
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/05/15 at 09:52:44:
When in Rome...  Huh


This, is  NOT,  Rome.
Covering ones head, and face, Where a country is mostly, desert, with constantly blowing sand, Is a smart protection from the elements. It is certainly not required, in the vast majority of places in this country.

And that, 'covering' was, written, (into a religion), to protect, and educate people.  Just as another religion, stated, a person could not eat meat, unless it was, 'blessed', by a certain person. Again designed into a religion, to, protect. Because the , 'Blesser', knew, if that meat was good or bad.

And Bot, you must certainty believe, that is wrong, and needs to be changed, even tho it was written thousands of years ago.  Because you have stated, many times, a document written only 240 years ago, is totally outdated, and needs to be changed.   Cheesy





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Reply #13 - 12/05/15 at 10:30:20
 
1,000 posts... Congrats Mn... Cool...

Yup,.. I'm an atheist... religion is stupid...
...but,.. you can't fix stupid.
So,.. I must tolerate it...  Lips Sealed...

Think about it... you want to fix theirs, they want to fix yours...
I'd just can the whole concept... Huh...
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Reply #14 - 12/05/15 at 10:45:52
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/05/15 at 10:30:20:
1,000 posts... Congrats Mn... Cool...

Yup,.. I'm an atheist... religion is stupid...
...but,.. you can't fix stupid.
So,.. I must tolerate it...  Lips Sealed...


Yep you're proof bot religion does not have to be organized to be stupid, you do your ideology rather well and don't have to wear a headdress or jewelry to let others know you are stupid, all I have to do is pray for you, simple enuff......
Unlike you, I don't have to try and remove the opposing views, and beliefs, from our freedom to live, and VOTE accordingly, and live in harmony, like you have stated in previous threads, mister tolerance  Roll Eyes

BTW, M.Spring, I find myself in opposition to your reasoning.
The moment you cross that line of assigning and assuming, you enter a slippery slope.
As evidenced by bots beliefs, you judge others, he can't escape his own judgement, even tho he denies it ,the battle will rage internally....
As it will be for ALL of us.  Lips Sealed  

And one more thing.......

Mister Tolerance just called.... drum roll please, MUSLIM and ISLAM stupid.

Gee, imagine that, a peaceful and  loving way of life that Obama finds beauty and joy when they are called to prayer.

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