prechermike wrote on 11/05/15 at 10:43:47:


Yep, that's the stuff you want. Ordered it myself last year.

Tocsik wrote on 11/05/15 at 10:55:42:



Good question.  Dave has got to decide whether he's going to truncate the table or not and then he's got to post it in the original thread.

He's likely waiting to see if anybody's got any "hell no" comments and he'll likely wait for the discussion to die down before he does that.

Prechermike, that's the stuff.

I checked nearly every auto parts store around here and no one sells Redline products. You have to order it online.

Art, you are proposing generalities based upon another brand of bike's forum chat.  

Rebel 250s are small displacement high revving twin engines and Harleys are big air cooled twins with large running tolerances.   We don't let the 20w50 Harley Oil Lovers association get away with that, so neither can you with your buzzing 250 Honda Rebel oil.

Break it down and say exactly which Castrol oil are you proposing for the Savage.

We can't oil war your oil unless you tell us which one it is ......  there are at least 3 Castrols out there you know, Racing, Edge and normal GTX for cars.

And no, not every jug containing low levels of friction modifiers is labeled "energy conserving" (we wish that was true).    Technically, all the energy star oils have to be  -w30 or less weight oils to use the star symbol.  

And BTW, moly oil as an additive is now creeping into most all full synthetics now, even the ones used in motorcycles with wet clutches.

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 11/06/15 at 04:29:22:

which is why I said 'I dunno what version of Castrol stinger is using'
all I stated was that Castrol GTX 10w40 is wet clutch safe, and so is GTX20w50
YO STINGER, WHAT TYPE O CASTROL YOU USING!
C'mon buddy, you gotta back your statements up with details
ENQUIRING MINDS WANNA KNOW WHACCHOO USIN, PERZACKLY

Ok guys. I did the math. Based on Rotella now being at 1100 ppm and red line being at 74,500 ppm, 0.2 ounce of red line added to 1 gallon of rotella will give you 1207.8 ppm. 0.5 ounce of red line added to 1 gallon of rotella will give you 1382.4 ppm.

Kris, you've got to figure out how much ZDDP by weight is in each amount of booster base oil vs the weight of the oil itself (yup, the base oil weight that you also have to know by weight).    

Then do the same exact thing for the amount of Rotella oil you are using.    Nothing is done by volume, it is all done by weight.

Then you total the two ZDDP weights. then divide that number by the weights of the two base oils totaled together, then multiply that resulting very small fractional number by 1,000,000 to get your ZDDP PPM number for that mixture.

It isn't that easy to do.    And you begin to get a feel why Boule said to do your mixing to the full virgin gallon jug, as he had to have something to hold still for his figuring which was done on a complex formula spreadsheet.

Boule did the spreadsheet and the table correctly, we all reality checked at the time using our various methods.   The table was in line with the factory recommendations from Redline and Eastwood, differing only in that it starts up high because our Rotella base oils were already up high in ZDDP already.  

Gotta watch that Redline factory recommended mix ratio stuff that is on the bottle and on their web page, it assumes you are starting out using Walmart normal very very very wimpy car oils.

(and some of you are .......   Castrol GTX indeed)

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471408/58


At post #58  Boule said it was easy, just ratios and volunteered to do it and post it.

I took him up on it, just like I am doing to you right now.   Read and enjoy, lots of old list players rang in on this one with Boule being the brash newbie in the group.

Tell us about what you find out in your investigations .......



     

I'd read the whole thing from the beginning, and Boule attached his spreadsheet as a zip file to the blend table so folks  could see where his numbers came from.      

   if you can get the zip file to read, that would be very helpful I would think ......