Wow..... I just sorta answered this today:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1445565053

Serowbot wrote on 10/25/15 at 08:26:16:



Turn your fridge over bot, that should fix it.......

gizzo wrote on 10/25/15 at 14:02:16:


Third post.... word.... religion.... ok I stopped reading too...
religion has nothing to do with magnets or how they work.
Only a devout religious person would make a comparison.... i'm done.

You do realize Old Feller, that you held on the end of your stick, a power that overcame the gravity of the earths pull !!! Those staples did not have a change against your awesome power!!

Hey!!, if we put a super electromagnet in space, powered by the sun and turned it on to draw it toward the sun and then to keep it from pulling away from the earth, we then use the backside to target, a "payload" on earth, could we pull things into orbit?
Eureka!!! I have solved the reusable rocket problem! some one call DARPA I need funding!  

Serowbot wrote on 10/26/15 at 10:24:13:


It would have to be from a POLAR orbit silly! ain't nothing magnetic up there cause of the big ol' hole in the atmosphere! wait... compasses point north... from SOUTHERN POLAR ORBIT! yeah.. that's it...

So don't be riding yer savage to see santa, oh man! I forgot about santa! I better fill him in on my idea!

So, what powers the magnet to cling to the steel tubing leg of my computer bench so tenaciously?    It takes a measurable force of 2.3 ounces to hold the weight of the magnet up against gravity ..... actually it is a side clamping force that is actually a good bit greater than that as the coefficient of friction of plated metal on painted steel is less than 1.

You can say it is "all the electrons spinning the same way" but that simply defines a permanent magnet but that does not say where the resulting "replenished, unchanging" work energy comes from when the magnet does physical acceleration type work.

I use my magnet to do work, but it never gets weaker (that I can tell, anyway).

What powers that magnet?   Where does the seemingly endless energy come from that makes the staples and nails fly up from 2-3" away year after year?

Like LENR, some things are now calling some basic physical laws into question and folks are being open minded enough to permit these questions to be asked -- when in the past they would have been poo-pooed or shushed as un-answerable.

Magnetism ..... as a different force from gravity.   Generated at the atomic level by electrons whirling in the same pathway or orientation, creating a inverse square projected force that is replenished endlessly BY THOSE ATOMS that can do work on the macro level without seeming to weaken or diminish much over time (as long as the atoms maintain that same orientation).

As we develop better and better superconducting supermagnets, what will we be forced to learn about where/how movement energy is created and is always available ---- endlessly.

We don't currently know where the energy comes from, but unless you want to toss conservation of energy at the atomic level out the window, it comes from somewhere.

Well the only way I know to make a magnet.....is to take steel or iron or something like that.....and subject it to a strong magnetic field.  Most of the magnetic fields are made by using coiled wire and electricity to create the magnetic field.  I remember seeing a charging device for the magneto in antique engines.  You set the horseshoe shaped magnet on the coils, energized it.....then you were supposed to bang on it to help the magnet take a set.

So....in the case of those magnets that are manufactured - the energy came from the electricity that set up the magnetic field.....the magnet just held onto and stored some of it, and eventually the magnet does lose the energy and needs to be recharged (but it takes a while).

Sorry, good try though.   You are thinking iron magnets and yes they did weaken over time and impacts and heat, etc.   All the stuff you remember about lawnmower flywheels is accurate and is still true, for iron magnets.

Yes, today's rare earth super magnets DO require a strong origin magnetic field while making them to orient all their electrons so their orbital paths all align.  This is a single protracted strong magnetic pulse that is applied at the heat treatment Curie point (heat point where magnetism leaves a permanent magnet when it is being heated up) just at the point where the temperature is dropping down past the Curie point and the atomic matrix structure settles into its permanent orientation and the material becomes fixed.   Yes it is a very strong field, but not that much stronger than the resulting batch of magnets are and they keep right on trucking after they take a set.  Indeed, as the joint orientation takes place the cooler aligned magnets on the outer layers help orient the hotter ones in the middle of the batch --- you didn't think a large batch of magnets cooled all at the same time, did you?

Supermagnets are powered at the atomic level by normal whirling electrons of an alloy of iron, boron and neodymium.   The resulting sintered and spin oriented at the Curie point of heat treat powdered metal iron boron neodymium material has the somewhat unique property of taking a better "set" than other materials that have been used in the past.

(although this is no longer totally true as other even better rare earth super magnet materials are now coming out of ongoing super conductor research).

This magnetic ability is in ALL materials that have whirling electrons.  Super cooled super magnets can force field suspend an apple for example, by aligning all its electrons in all its elements temporarily.  The ability to have (1) a strong organized field and (2) take a permanent set AND KEEP IT in the temperature range that us human people like to live in is what makes supermagnets unusual.

Hey, if we lived on Pluto, most pure gases like hydrogen or helium would be supermagnetic solids too.

So, the energy in the current permanent supermagnets can be destroyed by heat or by exposure to strong AC fields over a period of time by disarranging the aligned atoms so their rotational fields are randomized.

Think of a laser -- it gets its power by all the light waves waving in the same polarity and frequency and running totally parallel to each other.

A supermagnet gets its power the same way, all atoms having electrons whirling together in the same orientation while locked down in a solidified molecular metallic matrix.  

When solidfied and fixed in this parallel whirl matrix orientation, the normal weak (defined as outside the nucleus) nuclear forces are all running in the same orientation and the projection effects are NOT self-cancelled by its neighbors -- these levels of magnetic forces are there in the natural materials all the time, just not organized.

The force level of a supermagnet is always available in the raw materials all the time, it is just normally randomized and tends to self cancel itself naturally at our normal human operating temperatures.

Did you know that there is always significant amounts of mechanical stress inside the supermagnet since it is always trying to reorient itself to randomize the electron pathways?

The materials that can take a good fix and KEEP it for many years are very rare, iron is not one of these naturally, which is why neodymium and cobalt are needed in the alloy, to give it MORE ABILITY to resist randomization.

So, this supermagnetism is really an expression of an organized weak atomic force sorta like a laser is an expression of an organized weak photonic force.




Thought stretcher time .......

Imagine what you could do with the STRONG nuclear forces down inside the nucleus if this supermagnetism is just an organized projection of a relatively weak nuclear force?