As Spock would say, 'Fascinating'...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-FcnLsF1g&feature=youtu.be

I suppose I am the resident religious skeptic...

So, a group of lofty credentialed believers try to prove God's existence by mathematical improbability...

The problem is,... whenever we attribute what we can't understand to the supernatural, we are ultimately proven wrong...
Zeus, does not make the thunder...
Poseidon, does not make the waves in the sea...
Santa can't fit down the chimney...

It has been said, that it is aerodynamically impossible for a bee to fly,... (we don't have a god for that)... ...

Real science, tries to explain what is,... not prove that they can't, and therefore attribute it to mysticism...
Real science knows that we don't know, much more than know... but it don't just wring it's hands and say God must'a done it....

There is a small concession in "intelligent design" over creationism, in that it admits to evolution but seeks to attribute it to a god...
...but then why would an infallible, all knowing, god,.. need to make corrections to his creations?...
...or is he just f''kin around?... ...

I suppose I am the resident religious skeptic...

So, a group of lofty credentialed believers try to prove God's existence by mathematical improbability...

yes.  Is that any different than all those lofty, credentialed atheist who try to disprove?

It has been said, that it is aerodynamically impossible for a bee to fly,... (we don't have a god for that)... Undecided...

actually, nobody with a brain ever said that. you could put big enough wings moving fast enough and you could fly a refrigerator.

Real science, tries to explain what is,... not prove that they can't, and therefore attribute it to mysticism...

that statement leads me to believe you didnt really watch this or you aren't capable of grasping his point. If you're suggesting this wasn't real science, than math is what? A Vegas illusion?

Real science knows that we don't know, much more than know... but it don't just wring it's hands and say God must'a done it....

he did just the opposite. hes asking questions that even darwin said need to be researched further. The truth is, when pressed about the gaps inDarwinism, the response they give  is to have faith that fossils will be found to fill in those troubling gaps. Have faith.....thats funny.

In our lifetime, the historical understanding of Darwinism will evolve much like the same manner in which Newton's work evolved by Einstein's work. Just like in understanding gravity, Einstein had information unavailable to Newton. Darwin did not know about DNA and the role it plays in genetics. Not only was Darwin exceptionally bright, he was wise enough to say his theory needed to be throughly studied. He saw a few gaps and theorized why they existed, but stressed the need for continual work.

What/who is God?

I don't know.

I have often tried to intellectualize Him  

Here is what I came up......

I will start with a question, defined ( in my mind ).

What "source" is needed for all other things to become real?

Energy.

Many theories of a big bang, or other energy based events started this whole solar system.

So, energy it is firstly.

Gee, my savage is energy, it delivers my big butt to work, which allows me to earn a paycheck, which allows me to buy a house, food, women  

Golly, my lil' motorcycle provides a life/living for so many other folk, because it is the source of my ability to get to work and start this chain of events.

The savage is god then....

Whats that you say?

It needs gas in order to do that?

Oh....energy, yes  

Gee, then I guess that removes my bike from the list of possible gods, eh, and shifts it to the BIG oil companies ( getting closer huh   )

So..... the question is becoming clearer, even tho the answer is not.....

Who is energy?

The very first source of it?  

Is God perpetual motion then?

Would the first source be able to design according to its understand or whims?

Is not all things in our solar system not held together by the control of energy?

Goodness.....my head hurts  

It is WAAAAAAY easier for me to believe in a God that desires me, as small and as meek as a nano spec of energy mass of no consequence, because that is HIS design.....
Than to try and intellectualize it all.

I am at peace with that understanding.
What better way to live than being at peace with oneself?

1 in 10^77... or whatever, really ain't that big a number when you take in the fact that there are 100's of billions of planets, on 100's of billions of stars, in 100's of billions of galaxy's...
Odds are anything that can happen, will happen...
Then,... once life has a foothold,... evolution happens...
The difference between us, and a chicken, ain't that much genetically...
Heck,.. we ain't got that much over a banana...  ...
...

Serowbot wrote on 10/25/15 at 10:51:34:


Sew, you really didn't listen or read up on this at all did you? There are only 10 to the 60th ATOMS in our Milky Way galaxy. 10 to the 77 is an unimaginably huge number. 100s of billions x 100s x 100s is a fraction of 10 to the 77th.

At one time, it was totally believed that the Earth was ‘Flat’.
And if you sailed to far out in the Oceans, you just, ‘fell off’.
Then, it was discovered, that the Earth was, ‘Round’.
It was also widely believed that the Sun, rotated Around, the Earth.
Later it was discovered, the Earth, went Around the Sun.

At one time, colored glassed were thought to treat illness.
(Yellow- syphilis, blue-insanity, pink-depression)

Before, ‘Germs’ (and the like) were discovered,
‘Bad-Air’, made people sick.

Before  penicillin.  Warm soil, Urine, & spider webs were used,
(And ALL sorts of other things), to treat a infection.

Each time, their was a change, in ’new’ knowledge, or a ’new’ theory of something. Their were always people that believed the, ‘old’ way. Some clung to it to the bitter end. Some even, ‘Punished’, others for believing the, ’new’ thing.  

Where we are now, concerning, DNA, Genes, ‘ Creation vs Evolution’,  etc.
(As far advanced as we all believe we are now), is relatively,
 LIGHT YEARS,         BEFORE,
People thought the Earth was Flat.