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"Plug/Cap" Leak?
09/26/15 at 08:26:10
 
topic locked, so my questions are here:

1. why are we replacing this "plug"? It would seem that it is part # 26 (gasket), in the diagram, that is the failed component allowing "blow-by" of oil and pressure, which is causing the failure of the cover gasket in certain spots.

2. why not replace #26 with a crush washer, re-install original "plug" with copper colored sealer and re-intall new cover gasket and torque to specs?

3. The original post is a bit vague (I've read it 3 times); what additional parts should be replaced/purchased at the same time as this "plug"? gaskets? o-rings? bolts? washers?
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Re: "Plug/Cap" Leak?
Reply #1 - 09/26/15 at 08:46:58
 
#26 is a copper washer under a head nut, oil pressure doesn't get there unless it seeps by the head gasket.

whereas the plug keeps oil/air pressure from escaping.

there are various other parts, but we don't generally replace them unless they are leaking.
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Reply #2 - 09/26/15 at 08:58:34
 
One of the guys here machines the plug and cuts a groove for an o ring.  I don't think there's anything to buy other than sealer. Some have used RTV from the local auto parts house, but, the book calls for
a different kind. I'm glad I spent the money. I went to a little independent bike shop and got what their mechanics used. IIRC it was called Three Bond. Never got hArd in the tube, like RTV, that one little tube put the head cover on three times, and I think I used some when I had a Raptor bored out. Used on other stuff, besides bikes, too.
There is no gasket up there. The cam bearings Are the head and cover. I'm pretty sure they bolt the head and cover together and finish the cam hole.. so, you want a thin even application. Then slowly, gently,patiently start making passes, pulling the cover down on the head. Feel of the bolts, don't just go cranking on them. I've heard how cheap and soft the bolts are, maybe someone got some cheaper and softer than mine, but mine survived it being removed and replaced three times, never rounded or stripped anything.
And leave that
Retorque the head bolts
alone. That's just an invitation to an Expensive and troublesome moment.
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Reply #3 - 09/26/15 at 08:58:59
 
verslagen1 wrote on 09/26/15 at 08:46:58:
#26 is a copper washer under a head nut, oil pressure doesn't get there unless it seeps by the head gasket.

whereas the plug keeps oil/air pressure from escaping.

there are various other parts, but we don't generally replace them unless they are leaking.




so #26 is under pressure causing "blow-by" which in turn causes our leak?
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Reply #4 - 09/26/15 at 09:12:37
 
DesertRat wrote on 09/26/15 at 08:58:59:
verslagen1 wrote on 09/26/15 at 08:46:58:
#26 is a copper washer under a head nut, oil pressure doesn't get there unless it seeps by the head gasket.

whereas the plug keeps oil/air pressure from escaping.

there are various other parts, but we don't generally replace them unless they are leaking.




so #26 is under pressure causing "blow-by" which in turn causes our leak?

I don't think I can explain this to you on a saturday morn without a percussive adjustment.   Shocked
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Reply #5 - 09/26/15 at 09:13:58
 
I'm not completely sold on this repair. I believe this is not my oil leak issue:

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Reply #6 - 09/26/15 at 09:14:49
 
it's dry as a bone here:
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Reply #7 - 09/26/15 at 09:16:03
 
and all the way around for that matter:

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Reply #8 - 09/26/15 at 09:19:25
 
it looks to be just below the exhaust head:
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Re: "Plug/Cap" Leak?
Reply #9 - 09/26/15 at 09:33:38
 
either I'm seeing an odd reflection or are there 2 copper washers?

Looks like your leak is coming from the head gasket, 2 washers would indicate someone retorqued it, possibly failing.
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Reply #10 - 09/26/15 at 10:35:28
 
verslagen1 wrote on 09/26/15 at 09:33:38:
either I'm seeing an odd reflection or are there 2 copper washers?

Looks like your leak is coming from the head gasket, 2 washers would indicate someone retorqued it, possibly failing.




I didn't notice that until you spotted the 2 washers. The head does have a noticeable gap difference front to back. I can see gasket material toward the back (intake), but almost mating surfaces (no gasket material) showing in the front (exhaust).

*arrrrrggggghhhhhh  
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Re: "Plug/Cap" Leak?
Reply #11 - 09/26/15 at 11:18:03
 
found the "oil leak".
Cleaned and degreased the engine.
Blow dried.
Started bike up.
Sat her up, in riding position until it warmed up.
Shut down.
Waited a few minutes and came back out to check for leaks.

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Reply #12 - 09/26/15 at 11:20:07
 
leak is from the head bolt, front (exhaust):
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Reply #13 - 09/26/15 at 11:24:52
 
rear is bone dry. Im guessing that while on the side stand (gravity) pulls the oil to pool on the left fins and travel front to rear during riding.

Not sure I want to tackle this repair.

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Re: "Plug/Cap" Leak?
Reply #14 - 09/26/15 at 13:05:16
 
Some get away with simply removing the nut.... degrease, dry and seal with high temp rtv or engine sealant....
Make sure to coat the threads too!  Hey, if you have to redo the head, might as well try this first... might let you finish the season. Cheesy
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