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Reply #180 - 11/08/15 at 19:16:20
 
Okay, I haven't really read all twelve pages of this, but, if someone has not already said it, I will. Windows 10 does not really force itself on to Windows 7 specifically, but it really tries its best to get its foot in the door and stomp its way right through.  Tongue I don't have automatic updates. I control them manually, at least to some extent. In order to get the Windows 10 download prompt out of the way of Windows update, one has to consistently and persistently go around back to the place where one chooses individual updates and uncheck the option for downloading Windows 10. I actually tried Windows 10 on my Mom's computer. That didn't last long Wink I reverted successfully back to 7. I have decided to wait awhile before I finally go to 10 permanently. Windows 10 was cool in some ways, especially the games. Mozilla applications (Firefox, Thunderbird) did not display properly. I would think they have fixed that by now. One thing I did not like was all the online accounts and personal information stuff. At first, like many others, I thought 10 looked a bit ugly Tongue, but I think I started to get used to it somewhat.

BTW, I also tried Windows 8. It was pretty bad. From the start, I had to update my BIOS because I found out the hard way that I would be left with a blank screen during setup otherwise Sad. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I may have reinstalled it again after some time due to a hibernation issue or something. I don't remember clearly. I do remember that I had trouble with it updating and reverting in an endless cycle Roll Eyes Stupid Computer! Angry Grin One of those problems, I think, was the reason I had to revert to 7. I may have also had to reinstall it once because I might not have given it enough partition space Cheesy (I run Linux too, but I haven't used it lately). In essence, it was just a bit buggy. Wink


Even if you take Windows 10, you can revert and then try it again within the year. It's optional for 7 However, the newer systems may have a force component to them.
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Reply #181 - 11/08/15 at 20:14:37
 

You can go back to Win 7 within the first 30 days of installing Win 10. After that you are locked in, your win 7 license is terminated and you are locked into Win 10 forever.

Going back to Win 7 isn't flaw free -- various drivers have been changed to the Win 10 drivers and they don't get changed back to the old Win 7 drivers always.   Things to fix.   Things to fix.  Things to fix.

Safest is to AVOID it until the Redstone Upgrades happen next year and then review what folks are saying about it then and make a choice with better information right before the free offer ends.

Next, by then the monetization plan of Win 10 should be pretty clear to everybody -- they are likely going to nickel and dime you to death over all the little things associated with using Windows since "Windows is free".    

..... right .....

Also, by then the planned advances in Chrome OS and in Android OS should be pretty much known and perhaps be available as Beta.   You need to understand and weigh your options, since converting your desktop PC to Chrome OS is now out on the table too.  

If you just want gaming, you will want a Windows, by golly, and then you'll find that Win 7 is less hassles and a no brainer to do (you are already there).

Do not let MS pick your pocket nor let them run your internet connection into cap busting overages and cost you money --- you CAN stop these things with a little research.

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Reply #182 - 11/09/15 at 11:44:29
 
Yup on the cannot go back after 30 days....
I am LOCKED into windows 10....
I have been running my task manager in another window trying to figure what keeps slamming my hard drive process to 100% and my CPU to 65% and up...
First turning on, the spyware and security for win 10 runs at max for about 3-4 minutes.... yeah minutes.... no more instant logging onto IE or Edge even though it saves the settings and preloads, it still takes awhile.
I've actually followed instructions from a you tube video that explains how to disable and get rid of a few of the non essential search engines, it got rid of some of the 100% hard drive processes.
I loaded mint 17 on the little laptop and can run a few windows games through steam (but I think they have drivers for both), however one of the games i'm playing (RUST) is in alpha testing and they have yet to finish the Linux side, so its only playable in windows...
I'm sure win 10 will "eventually" catch up and fix most of the problems. Roll Eyes
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Reply #183 - 11/09/15 at 19:31:37
 

OK, Impartial person there, Old_Rider, give us a boot off test from a cold computer to Chrome ready to take a search from using Win 10.

My Win 7 takes 1 minute 33 seconds from a cold computer to a Chrome query type in.

And my Linux Mint Mate 17.2 takes 1 minute 20 seconds from a cold computer to a Chrome query type in.

My Moto G Android phone takes 33 seconds to boot from a cold cell phone to a Chrome query talk in.

...................  why the cold computer testing?   Other than cold computer testing, you can do all sorts of neat tricks with Linux Mint to have it "come on to the Chrome entry screen in like 8 seconds" but that really involves never shutting the device down, ever.

(yeah, Linux is so light on resources used and is so reliable that some people don't ever turn it off, they in essence just kill their monitor when they want to go to bed).

Since Chromebooks are always live using a little bitty tiny core (so they can get messages and such) this mebbe partially explains the instant on capabilities of Chromebooks.   They are never really turned off, either.



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Reply #184 - 11/09/15 at 21:32:21
 
Ok, i'll do some cold boot tests , on both, from how long it takes until ready to go and some testing on how long it takes for the browsers to boot up.
Now you got to realize the mint is on an "older" laptop (about 8 years old), and a slower CPU. It takes almost as long to long onto it.
I did find out I cannot log onto "my dlink" from the win 10 computer using edge (new windows explorer), but can still use my IE 11 to log in on the same computer.(I am currently using a vista PC to run my security cameras)  
DLink site says they do not have drivers (like so many other companies)
for the new edge browser.
Maybe i'll do a video or two so I don't have to remember everything to write down Smiley
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Reply #185 - 11/10/15 at 19:52:37
 
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/10/microsoft-admits-windows-1...     This is a third, even larger episode

Microsoft makes it into the news again today, November 10th, for once again trying to force users to go to Windows 10 before they are ready.    ..... and yes again, after being caught with their hand in the cookie jar yet again, Microsoft cries out again that "it was all a mistake due to a bug ....."

This "it was a bug" excuse thing is getting more and more difficult to swallow because the attack was coded very carefully to NOT SHOW UP ANYWHERE while it was going on (and it went on for 3 MONTHS in some cases, night after night) but the gambit became obvious on reviewing the update logs user's machine after over 30 failed attempts to download and install the Windows 10 packages.

And, in reaction to uproar that followed today, MS let slip that they are indeed able to control these attempted machine hijackings BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO INSTANTLY MAKE THEM ALL STOP all over the world.

"No, it’s not just you. In recent weeks I’ve received a lot of emails from Windows 7 and Windows 8 users saying Windows 10 has repeatedly tried to self install on their computers.

Now, after two weeks of talks with Microsoft, the company has admitted to me that the problem is very real…

The symptoms follow two paths. For some they were using their computer as normal, were prompted for a restart due for standard updates and on reboot found the Window 10 installation was under way. For others they checked their Windows update history and found Windows 10 had tried but failed to install itself without permission over and over again.

The most extreme example I have found of the latter came from one Forbes reader (who wishes to remain anonymous) who found his computer attempted to install Windows 10 on 31 separate occasions.

So what’s going on? According to Microsoft the fault lies with a bug in an automatic update it began rolling out to Windows 7 and Windows 8 users in August which triggered the attempted installations. Microsoft didn’t disclose which specific update it was, but confirmed it left the error code ‘0×80240020’ (sometimes recorded as ‘080240020’) in Windows log files when upgrade attempts failed.

As the upgrade attempts all happened silently in the background, those affected would only know Windows 10 would attempt to update once they restarted their computer. For those computers where the update began but failed in the background (apparently a high proportion) they’d be none the wiser without checking their installation history between August and November.

To do this click the start button, in the search box type ‘Update’ –> Windows Update –> in the left pane click ‘View update history’.

So what’s the state of play now? Microsoft claims the bug has been fixed and there should be no further background attempts to install Windows 10 on unsuspecting users. The good news is those who contacted me have also confirmed the repeated installation attempts have now stopped.

Of course the wider problem for Microsoft here is more than just the issue of crying wolf. Just last month another bug in Windows Update for Windows 7 and Windows 8 automatically checked the optional tick box to upgrade PCs to Windows 10. Microsoft declared this too was  ‘an accident’.

This may very well be true of both cases, but with Windows 10 upgrades being moved to a ‘Recommended’ status next year (meaning it will install automatically for those with default update settings) it is understandable that many users will be cynical.

Especially when set against the backdrop of dramatically slowing Windows 10 adoption over the last two months. Only 5.38% market share was attained in its launch month of August, this increased 1.42% in September and 1.31% in October. That’s not great for a product being given away free for a limited period.

Ultimately what should be clear to Microsoft by now is that hardcore fans are now all aboard, but there’s less interest from the mainstream and I suspect the Orwellian control Windows 10 requests of its users is a major factor.

How and if Microsoft reacts to this over the remaining months of the free upgrade period (ending July 2016) will be crucial in determining whether Windows 10 is indeed the surefire success its launch once appeared to guarantee…"


Yup, the bulk of real users are beginning to actively resist (intending to wait until the Redstone updates are done then see what the OS actually is going to be like once completed) and the growing population of abused or tricked users are NOT happy at all with these heavy handed MS tactics any at all, whatsoever, not even a tiny little bit.

Throw in the recent ham handed attempts at monitization and MS is coming across now as a greedy trickster, intent on getting onto your hard drive and then taking over, any way they can.


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Microsoft needs to be forceably told NO and folks are using the GWX Control Panel software to do that.  

This stuff blocks Win 10 now, but later on permits you to go on to Win 10 later on, when it is worthwhile for you to do so.   You will have to download Win 10 and put it on a DVD, then use your Win 7 keycode to initialize it -- but you can wait until there is a good stable Win 10 to do that.

Go look at GWX Control Panel, check its reviews and consider using it to keep MS at bay until you chose to convert.

By using it you can STOP MS until such time you choose to go over to Win 10 (once Win 10 is feature complete and much more stable than it is now).

Use the software NOW, before you get converted "accidentally" by MS and lose all control of your machine and all your backup options.

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/          GWX Control Panel (formerly GWX Stopper)
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Reply #186 - 11/11/15 at 02:48:06
 
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Reply #187 - 11/12/15 at 03:13:04
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/samsung-exynos-8-octa-processor-coming-by-end-o...

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/qualcomm-introduces-snapdragon-820-chip.html

Samsung and Qualcomm come out with their next BIG GUN CHIPSETS

Samsung and Qualcomm are competitors in the market place.   And, like Samsung and Apple, Samsung's finished products compete with their processor build partners finished products once everybody's best chipsets are built into units and shipped.

But once again Samsung has waited to announce their new chipset until AFTER their main customers have announced and gone into first production.  Both Apple and Qualcomm are building their new big gun products off of Samsung's 14nm production process chipsets right now and the chipsets are rolling out to them as we speak.

Both Apple and Qualcomm are saying they are upping their game by 30% faster processing and 10% better battery life.   This is all the mature 14nm process from Samsung allows them to get for right now.   Both Apple and Qualcomm have carefully modified their 4 core processors to optimize their results off the Samsung build process.   And the results should show up soon in Q1 2016.    

Once again, the question becomes will the brand new faster chipsets STAY FASTER when they get warmed up good .....  this is becoming the perennial question about anybody's top dog chipsets any more.

Samsung has worked with their customers during these optimizations and certainly understands what they did and why they did it.   And Samsung actually ran off the chips and did the post production analysis with their customers, suggested improvements, did the whole six yards as the chip supplier has to do.

Now the flip side comes due -- Samsung is taking their existing optimized Octacore rig up which last year used ARM standard core designs built at 14nm (to build what was this past year's ass-busting clear winner for best performing chipset and phone) and they have now dropped in 4 each custom designed big boy cores of their very own custom design on top of the 4 each A-53s which for everybody is still the very best small core design out there.

And, because they are Samsung and are only going to use the chipset in their own top end product (which isn't selling in huge numbers because the price is being held intentionally very high, way on up there) and they have the basic phone hardware ready to go since it is last year's basic hardware unit, Samsung is bringing out their newest big gun new phone out BY THIS CHRISTMAS.

What does this mean?

By striking the gong first in time for Christmas, Samsung gets another win, but they do this knowing full well that both Apple and Qualcomm units are going to take that short term win away from them with their new units just as soon as their finished units ship out.  

Which will be some months from now.

Samsung is then going to uncork a NEW even better chipset and a new even better phone at that time to take the crown back again next year.

It is hard to beat the company that actually builds your chipsets .....

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Reply #188 - 11/12/15 at 03:33:26
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/arm-introduces-energy-efficient-cortex-a35-64-b...

Here is the new ARM line up for 2016, complete with a new low end low power A35 chipset to make up a triple play 10-12 core super chipset.



Why consider 3 stage chipsets (a la Mediatek) ?????

At 14nm and below thermal concerns become king, and the ability to switch off the load to another set of "almost as fast" cores while your big boys cool down some means the overall throughput is faster and better than if you only use 4 big cores that get WAY too hot and slow down WAY too much, WAY too quickly.  

8 is better than 4, and 10-12 is better than 8 in the modern world of lithography based thermal slowdowns.

Battery life gets better with a 3 stage chipset too, as you can ramp up and ramp down over 3 levels instead of going from low to high back to low again (at overheat).   That middle zone gets used a lot during normal load ramp up and the resulting emergency thermal ramp downs .....

ARM 14nm is still going to have significant performance boosts to show people, but they come at the expense of using an extra layer of cores and some core switching trickery in the ARM/Android core scheduling software.


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Look to see Intel come out with some "many core" chipsets with some extreme attention being paid to heat sinking and thermal control.  

Intel has fallen completely out of mobile right now as they cannot beat the heat in their current 4 big core mobile 14nm chipset products.


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Also please note that the new A35 completes the conversion of ARM to 100% 64 bit products.   And please also note that ARM/LENARO/GOOGLE didn't screw up a single thing big-time in doing that conversion --- no 64 bit ARM pooches were deflowered along the way, something that NOBODY was able to do before in a 32 bit to 64 bit changeover, ever.

ARM puppies everywhere breathe a little easier tonight, the danger is finally over at last.

   ...... ah, life is good ......



..... this certainly cannot be said for any young canine that is associated with Microsoft, especially those poor off-brand Windows Mobile pooches belonging to their poor mislead Beta tester masters.  

Some time in the dark of the night, MS came calling .....      <yip!>    silence

I'd show you a picture of the mostly dead, very damaged off-brand MS beta pooches, but it is too too too depressing to even look at .....
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Reply #189 - 11/12/15 at 17:40:16
 

http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/12/lenovo-blames-smartphones-for-its-first-lo...

"Thanks to charges related to its Motorola acquisition and $300 million worth of unsold phones, the company incurred a hefty $714 million net loss for the first time in six years.  PC sales didn't actually help much, with revenue in that division dropping 17 percent over last year."

So, Lenovo has just announced they're losing money -- first time they've lost money in the last six years -- and they're blaming Motorola mobile for it.    In fact the figures say that their PC business is trending down 17%,  going down past the point that their current profits can support their existing overhead costs.

Having already cut all the people that they can cut, Lenovo is now going to have to cut non-profitable product lines and discontinue and sell off a lot of inventory to try to generate some cash to get out of where they are right now.  

Lenovo will come out of this a smaller company with a much smaller line of products.   Motorola will become just another brand name slapped on a phone designed and built in China.

I would not plan to buy anything name branded "Lenovo" for this Christmas because they may not be supporting what they are selling off going out into the future like you would like to see happen.

Of course if the price is right, really really right  .....       Cool
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Reply #190 - 11/13/15 at 07:03:12
 

This was news to me, anyway.

Office Depot and Office Max are now one company and they are running joint Black Friday ads and THEY ARE NOT COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER ANY MORE.

I was looking for a new printer when I saw these joint ads .....

Oh well, change she comes.
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Reply #191 - 11/13/15 at 07:43:25
 

BTW, last night you got a big new MS update to Win 10.

Despite being billed as a big thing, the new functionality expressed by last night's update isn't groundbreaking by any means.

Nor was the full list of promised "issue fixes" actually there at this time.

Microsoft is running about 60-70% on hitting their promised this and that and last night's update wasn't any different.

Now, to put it in big picture perspective, if MS hadn't decided to push Win 10 out way early before it was even firmly into Beta Quality territory, it would have come out about right about now in about the same or slightly better shape.

I think it would have been received better in the current shape, instead of stumbling all over itself for 3 months to just to get this far.

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I spoke too soon.

http://www.windowscentral.com/how-prevent-windows-10-november-update-getting-...

"The bug seems to be specific too: if you begin the installation process, the Windows 10 November update will stop responding at the 44% marker.

According to Microsoft, the company has been observing that "some devices" that have an "SD bus with an SD card inserted" may experience some issues trying to install the update.

While the software giant keeps investigating the issue and offers a permanent solution, it recommends users to remove the SD card from their computers, before proceeding with the install.

However, the update needs some available storage space to complete the upgrade. If you're using an SD card for the purpose of adding more storage, Microsoft recommends using a USB storage device instead to perform the install."


Sounds like some stormy times ahead for all them skinny little Cloudbooks out there .....

And since your MS updates sneak into a Win 10 machine while you are sleeping, how the heck are you 1) going to know to take your SD out of your drive ahead of time and 2) be awake and watching for the update to show up and auto install itself?

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Reply #192 - 11/14/15 at 19:57:45
 

Huh

http://liliputing.com/2015/11/maybe-android-apps-arent-coming-to-windows-10-a...



Why is this important?   There aren't enough Windows 10 Apps in the MS App store to support a Win 10 eco-system ......

"But Windows 10 has been available for months… so where are all those apps?

Some are on the way, while others… might not be.

Microsoft hasn’t officially commented on the matter, but Windows Central says it’s spoken to developers and other sources who say the project is delayed, or possibly even canceled.

There are a few possible reasons for that. Most of them have to do with the fact that while Microsoft has developed tools for porting iOS, Web, and Win32 apps to the Windows 10 Universal app platform, the company was planning to take a different approach with Android apps. Windows 10 was supposed to simply include an Android emulator, making it easy to just run unmodified Android apps.

On the one hand, that would have made it extraordinarily easy for developers to submit existing apps to the Windows Store. On the other hand, it also made it rather easy for developers to get lazy and not bother actually customizing their apps to take advantage of Windows features or design elements. It could also make it easy for users to install pirated apps (or just apps that the developers hadn’t explicitly made available for Windows).

I imagine Microsoft also wasn’t pleased when some folks figured out how to install Google Mobile Services on a pre-release build of Windows 10 Mobile earlier this year, essentially bringing some services that are only supposed to be available for Android phones to Windows.

Windows Central says the Microsoft team working on the Android app project was also much, much larger than the team working on the iOS app porting tools, suggesting that the company might have decided it wasn’t worth the effort. And there have also been reports that the Android emulator caused performance issues with Windows 10.

I should repeat: Microsoft hasn’t publicly stated that Android apps aren’t coming to Windows 10, so take all of this with a grain of salt. But Microsoft also hasn’t said much lately to give us the idea that they will be coming anytime soon. So it certainly seems plausible that the company is giving up on the idea, or at least making some behind-the-scene changes before rolling it out."


In the last two months we have seen Windows 10 suddenly stop working with non-MS supplied Win phones and just the past week or so we saw the list of MS built Lumina phones which are supported by Win 10 get cut in HALF.

Now we hear the support teams for MS Win 10 software development are being curtailed to only go after Apple and to totally ignore porting Android.

We also hear rumbles from Mary Jo that MS is still considering simply going with a forked version of Android (like Amazon did).

Now we see Google planning a future technological revolution that goes all the way down to the chips themselves, incorporates VR, etc. etc. etc.

As someone who cannot seem to do mobile right by themselves, MS needs to get in line behind Google and simply toe the party line.  

MS no longer has the resources to "reinvent the wheel" time after time after time.   Certainly not in mobile, they REALLY need to focus on getting PC right as quickly as they can or else they will fall to the next wave of laptop OS products coming out of Google.

There is a 10nm silicon lithography wall coming up soon that is going to require DIFFERENT STUFF going forward past it.    Many are saying that the industry will just skip 10nm silicon since it has so many thermal issues associated with it, and drive all their efforts at a non-silicon 7nm next generation product.  

Some are suggesting that the early details of 7nm non-silicon chips are being given out now by the IBM/Samsung/Global consortium and Google is just reacting to what they should be working on for two years out, while MS is simply cutting off all the projects that are "already future dead."

?????    Huh
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Reply #193 - 11/14/15 at 20:27:58
 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9769/arm-announces-cortex-a35



28 nm lithography is still low cost king, for cost reasons and for fastest build time to product (lots of assembly lines available).

ARM has done another smart core replacement, giving significant speed and power consumption bonuses while allowing the old chip base and ball grid (and the old phone motherboard designs) to be completely reused.  Smart, but they have done that before, regularly, on the low end of things.

This is a product that can SCALE DOWN VERY WELL, running at 28nm, 20nm, 16nm, 14nm and below when that gets here.

Since it can pick up a 25-35% performance boost over the old 32 bit A-7, that puts it in the rough lower half of the performance ballpark where the 64 bit A-53 is sitting today.

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The old A-53 is likely going to get an overhaul next, as it is the oldest 64 bit chipset anybody is still actually using (the oldest, the old A-57 has already been upgraded and replaced by the A-72).

If you think you see three constantly upgraded "matched and paired" levels of ARM 64 bit cores churning in turn to support a Mediatek style triple layer processor, you are right.  

BTW, 32 bit ARM is dead, as of this release.   It will drag on, zombie-like for a year or so, but it is dead right now with a Cortex A-35 ".35 caliber" sized hole in its forehead.  

Android is in its second full 64 bit generation now, with the third generation coming out next year.   32 bit is pretty much totally past tense in Android land at this point.

One also has to question if Intel is functionally dead again as well, since they have nothing low cost competitive in phone space any more, especially since Asus has dropped them from the Zenphone 2.

And also please remember, Win 10 mobile is now a MS controlled "for our own Qualcomm processor based Lumina products only" proposition right now.
   No Intel phones anywhere .....   got some Intel based tablets still, though, still left over from last year's big push.

Now that ARM has announced all the various A-35, A-53, A-72 layers, Mediatek can come out of the closet about what they are really actually using now, correctly naming them instead of saying they are using "two levels of A-53 cores" like they have been saying.

Once again, ARM has delayed putting their cards face up on the table until the partner built products are actually ready to ship.



How powerful is this tiny quad core A-53 as shown?  It is 25% better than my current A-7 based cell phone is right now and it would have better graphics and longer battery life as well -- a step up in every aspect.    

And as physically tiny as the new A-35 cores are, a 8-10 core A-35 chipset at 14/16nm will fit in the space that was required for the oldest Cortex A-7 48nm lithography quad core chip designs.   Remember, if we are re-using the old 48nm chipbase and ball grid array on purpose on the low end cheapie phones so there is lots & lots of room on top of that chip base for some serious A-35 power expansion should the vendor want to go do that.

Also please realize that when using lower modern lithography levels, dual cores of this thing is are physically as small as the current crop of IoT cores, with far far greater capabilities.

A bluetooth phone in your glasses or split between your ear rings is now completely possible using 14nm.  Google Glass will get a new look at, again, by both the Google and Samsung glass design teams.
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Re: Microsoft Windows 10 (the ongoing saga)
Reply #194 - 11/17/15 at 19:53:40
 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/intel-72-core-processor-coming-desktop-computers...

Ok.... almost everything I have now days has 4 core, processors....
How is it that they now are coming out with 72 cores?

Did some magic shrinking gun get invented?  Has a core been redefined? and it really doesn't mean one layer?
Or are they using numbers as cores and not layers?

I give up...you know what? The next machine I build will probably be the last one for about five years.... because I think within the next five years we will all be using large tablets, because pc's and laptops will be phased out.

Well, that's my prediction...
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